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[Zyraen]

This might be a glitch caused by a trigger that removes Arledrian from the game. However it is supposed to happen only significantly later in the Mod, after one of the arcs that involves Arledrian fires.

[Zyraen]

Send me your saved game I'll try to look at it

[Daulmakan]

Rogue Rebalancing does indeed remove Arledrian from Gaelan's house at some point if you're working for the Shadow Thieves. Talking to Gaelan and Marina will provide the necessary clues to find him again, or just highlight for spoiler:

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search for him in the tombs beneath the Graveyard district

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Note that once Arledrian's gone, you can access his store by talking to Gaelan.

[Zyraen]

Ah Ok. My recommendations - get Arledrian back ASAP ^^;;; you'll need him for later part of BTL.

[aVENGER]

Zyraen, on Mar 14 2008, 02:42 AM, said:

Ah Ok. My recommendations - get Arledrian back ASAP ^^;;; you'll need him for later part of BTL.

Hmm, we might have a case of conceptual incompatibility here.

In Rogue Rebalancing, Arledrian either dies or leaves for good (player's choice) once the Silverblaze quest is finished. For now, I'll mark the "Additional equipment for Thieves and Bards" component of RR (which features that quest) as incompatible with BTL, though I'll see if I can find a workaround for this issue in some future version of RR.

[Zyraen]

Zerus - if you saw that post, try to get the ending where Arledrian leaves. in BTL even if you can't find him he'll spawn somewhere and talk to you once a timer is expired... I don't remember running a DV check so he might do so even if otherwise "dead". your only loss as a player is the "waiting" time lol.

[aVENGER]

A possible workaround: I can put Arledrian's Silverblaze quest within an ACTION_IF block which checks for a BTL specific file (i.e. Z#0041.ARE). That way, I can prevent my quest from being installed if BTL is detected and the BTL plot can then proceed as usual.

Naturally, this would only work if RR is installed after BTL. What do you think, Zyraen?

[Zyraen]

I think just run a check for Kova and Kiyone in the Party. If they are, check a Trigger (I can give you the trigger) that makes the Silverblaze Quest start once the Trial for BTL is over. This way as long as the player does not have K&K in the party on that particular run, they will still be able to experience your Mod content ; and if they do have K&K, they can experience the Mod content after BTL Trial (if Arledrian is still alive).

This also makes Installation Order a non-issue.

Its similar to the Accelerated Ust Natha It only happens if certain conditions are met, otherwise the game just proceeds as normal. Similarly, I feel Silverblaze should run normally UNLESS BTL Characters are in the party.

[aVENGER]

Zyraen, on Mar 19 2008, 10:46 AM, said:

I think just run a check for Kova and Kiyone in the Party. If they are, check a Trigger (I can give you the trigger) that makes the Silverblaze Quest start once the Trial for BTL is over.

The thing is, that quest is connected to one of Aran's tasks in Chapter 3 (concerning the Shadow Thief traitors) but yes, I could use a global for preventing the quest from starting if BTL is active. I was thinking of using:

GlobalGT("KovaJoinedB4","LOCALS",0)

as a means of detecting BTL Would that be ok?

[Zyraen]

Doesn't work, since you can't detect a LOCALS variable from a Global setting anyway. Just use InPartyAllowDead checks will do, its simple enough

[aVENGER]

Right on, I didn't notice it was a LOCALS variable. I'll just use InPartyAllowDead("Kiyone") and InPartyAllowDead("Kova") then.

BTW, this didn't make it into RR v3.9 but I'll put it into the next update. Cheers!

[aVENGER]

The conceptual incompatibility issue between the "Additional equipment for Thieves and Bards" component of Rogue Rebalancing and the "Beyond the Law" mod has been resolved as of RR v3.91. In order to prevent the incompatibility, Arledrian's new quest which is introduced by Rogue Rebalancing will not occur if Kova or Kiyone are in the party.