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[Ascension64]

3) Assuming reloads. Saying "It's not so hard, just fight the battle 10 or 20 times and you'll figure out the trick" is crap role-playing. It only works if you view BG entirely as a tactical combat game. A smart, cautious player should be able to get through a battle without having to look for the one cheesy tactic that the designer didn't think of.

Oh my... I can hardly think of a statement I could feel more strongly about when it comes to playing games!

Extraquotation deserved from my side and blessed be the one who wrote that!

Was there some kind of trick to defeating Belhifet in IWD1? I never finished that game because I could never get past the final battle.

[Salk]

3) Assuming reloads. Saying "It's not so hard, just fight the battle 10 or 20 times and you'll figure out the trick" is crap role-playing. It only works if you view BG entirely as a tactical combat game. A smart, cautious player should be able to get through a battle without having to look for the one cheesy tactic that the designer didn't think of.

Oh my... I can hardly think of a statement I could feel more strongly about when it comes to playing games!

Extraquotation deserved from my side and blessed be the one who wrote that!

Was there some kind of trick to defeating Belhifet in IWD1? I never finished that game because I could never get past the final battle.

I never finished it myself...

[Kellen]

I did, a couple years ago. Not the slightest clue how I did it now.

[berelinde]

Getting a bit off topic, here.

[berelinde]

This discussion began in the discussion topic for the Wiki article "Overused Ideas." The quotes refer to that article.

Please, by all means, carry on the discussion about how to defeat Belhifet! I'd love to know how myself!

Edited by berelinde, 24 November 2007 - 09:29 AM.

[Jarno Mikkola]

Well, in unmodified game that I played more than half year ago, I had first went all out and tried to kill the golems first, but got pretty badly beaten, but then I toke the demon as my primary target and by the five other chars, and used one as a distraction for the golems(just run away from them), the demon was basically pretty "#¤py wizard with a few protection spells.

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 24 November 2007 - 10:01 AM.

[Azazello]

^^ Me too. As well, I remember using some summons as bait.

[aVENGER]

Assuming reloads. Saying "It's not so hard, just fight the battle 10 or 20 times and you'll figure out the trick" is crap role-playing. It only works if you view BG entirely as a tactical combat game. A smart, cautious player should be able to get through a battle without having to look for the one cheesy tactic that the designer didn't think of.

IMO, it's fine to include extremely challenging battles into a game/mod as long as they are optional i.e. if they are not tied to the main plot or if there's some way to bypass them without engaging in combat.

However, I think it's a huge mistake to cater a plot-critical battle solely to the experienced gamers. In the best case, I could see it as feasible if the battle is highly responsive to the game difficulty setting and gets significantly easier on the lower levels. OTOH, I don't mind an optional quest/battle that is specifically designed to challenge even the most tactically inclined players (i.e. the battle for the Holy Avenger in IWD2).

Edited by aVENGER, 24 November 2007 - 12:53 PM.

[Jarno Mikkola]

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As I didn't play a modded game, or I don't remember doing so, I can't say if the Belhifet battle could be had because of that, but I remember that I won one time by killing the golems and then the Belhifet, but that was cause I was lucky at the time, but usually I did loose a few chars on the fight, but as it is the last battle it hardly mattered.

[aVENGER]

It was more of a general remark to the "Assuming Reloads" quote rather than a stab at the difficulty of the battle with Belhifet. I've edited my last post for clarity.

[Erephine]

I don't remember it being very difficult.

Huh. I guess we were lucky when we played it.