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[Strontium Dog]

I was wondering why there are virtually no quest-related mods for Icewind Dale 2, other than the Undead Targos mod, after all these years? I mean, Icewind Dale 2 has a great game-engine, unlike BG2, a pretty good story-line etc., yet BG1/the original Icewind Dale/BG2/TOEE/NWN etc. have endless extra quest-mods, by comparison. I suppose it might possibly be due to the game-engine stupidly limiting XP-points for slain enemy-NPCs, as characters get beyond a certain level of experience at each chapter, but that problem could be easily circumvented by just artificially giving extra quest-related XP points to make up for this.

Also, has anyone thought of introducing a wild-mage class for Icewind Dale 2? It would presumably involve replacing one of the original mage-kits, but that wouldn't be much of a loss.

[Jarno Mikkola]

I was wondering why...

I think that's cause there is only barelly one mod, and that's a tweak pack, unless you count the addition packs, but they were part of the sell pack, so no.

Also, has anyone thought of introducing a wild-mage class for Icewind Dale 2? It would presumably involve replacing one of the original mage-kits, but that wouldn't be much of a loss.

No that might not be, but as that does involve a hard moding experiance, dedication and the right tools. Not to discourage, but there are no tools I have seen, and no one willing
Unless you are, and god bless you if you are!

[Rastor]

No that might not be, but as that does involve a hard moding experiance, dedication and the right tools. Not to discourage, but there are no tools I have seen, and no one willing

Not really as hard as you'd think. DLTCEP and WeiDU can handle IWD2 just fine. The biggest issue I've seen is that some of the file format information in the IESDP is just plain wrong and this makes patching the game with WeiDU somewhat difficult.

The most difficult thing is that adding BG2-style NPCs is impossible, but there's workarounds for this (the player has to include the NPC on the create party screen for banters and interjections to function).

[Kulyok]

Wait, wait, how come nobody mentioned Domi's IWD2 NPCs from Gibberlings3.net yet? Weimer's Tweaks/EaseOfUse work, too - see Weidu.org. Not exactly what you're looking for, I know, but it's all good.

No idea about quest mods, though. I played the game once, and was unable to finish it - boredom. Maybe that's the reason.

[Strontium Dog]

Wait, wait, how come nobody mentioned Domi's IWD2 NPCs from Gibberlings3.net yet? Weimer's Tweaks/EaseOfUse work, too - see Weidu.org. Not exactly what you're looking for, I know, but it's all good.

No idea about quest mods, though. I played the game once, and was unable to finish it - boredom. Maybe that's the reason.

I'm amazed that you could possibly find it boring. It's a 100 times more fun than the first Icewind Dale 1, plus it has a great 3rd edition AD&D engine, and the storyline is pretty good(for once the villains are even ratehr sympathetic, by comparison to other AD&D PC games). I suppose there must indeed be a serious problems re modding the game as otherwise it would have as many mods as BG2, given its scope. What I would love is for there to be dozens of side-quests, especially around chapters 3,4 and 5, with the original villains in the various chapters being enhanced by a Tactics-style mod in order to compensate for the extra XP the party would get from the additional quests.

[Simbul]

It's a 100 times more fun than the first Icewind Dale 1

...and still boring (at least for me)
I guess some girls just don't like endless hack-n-slashing without any meaningful character interaction, side-quests and well-written dialogues

[Gabrielle]

Hack n slash is awesome. IWD ruled, IWD2 didn't. It was boring.

[Strontium Dog]

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Edited by Strontium Dog, 07 October 2007 - 02:53 AM.

[Vicen]

I think its not really boring more annoying then anything at least for me...When just about every fight is with like 20 goblins 5 orcs 2 trolls and 3 ogres and you have to rest after every fight with a 87.53 chance of getting attacked...it starts to drain on you

and the load times are just that way for that mod no getting around it sadly to my understanding

[coineineagh]

Modmaking isn't over yet for IWD2:
As far away as China people are still modding the game. There are quite some modders over at Sorcerer's place. Below is my WeiDU log to give you an example of the alterations you can make to the game.
There aren't true expansions adding loads of new content, but many enhancements to the original game. Plus with Icewind Gate II, Weimer's abandoned beta, you can play Shadows of Amn in IWD2 engine.
Check out the new posts i put on blackwyrmlair:
Comprehensive Mod List

// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods
// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
// ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // [Subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name [ : Version]
~SETUP-TARGOS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Undead Targos
~SETUP-TARGOS.TP2~ #0 #1 // Tougher Torak
~SETUP-MERCHANT.TP2~ #0 #0 // Bonus Merchant for IWD2
~SETUP-B0SW1H51.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item B0SW1H51 - Celestial Fury
~SETUP-BBBKBG.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBBKBG1, BBBKBG2, BBBKBG3, BBBKBG4, BBBKBG5, BBBKBG6, BBBKBG7, BBBKBG8, BBBKBG9 - Book Bag
~SETUP-BBCLKBL.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBCLKBL - Cloak of Blending
~SETUP-BBCRPL.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBCRPL - Crate of Planar Rest
~SETUP-BBDAGCM.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBDAGCM - Claw of Meerclar (Dagger)
~SETUP-BBHLMBR.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBHLMBR - Helm of Brilliance
~SETUP-BBHLMDR.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBHLMDR - Helm of Dragon Scales
~SETUP-BBPCKTR.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBPCKTR - Pocket Transmuter
~SETUP-BBQUIV.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBQUIV1, BBQUIV2, BBQUIV3, BBQUIV4, BBQUIV5, BBQUIV6, BBQUIV7, BBQUIV8, BBQUIV9 - Quiver
~SETUP-BBQUIVB.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBQUIVB1, BBQUIVB2, BBQUIVB3, BBQUIVB4, BBQUIVB5, BBQUIVB6, BBQUIVB7, BBQUIVB8, BBQUIVB9 - Bolt Quiver
~SETUP-BBQUIVC.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBQUIVC1, BBQUIVC2, BBQUIVC3, BBQUIVC4, BBQUIVC5, BBQUIVC6, BBQUIVC7, BBQUIVC8, BBQUIVC9 - Ammunition Belt
~SETUP-BBRNGEST.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBRNGEST - Bright Evening Star
~SETUP-BBRNGNF.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBRNGNF - Ring of Natural Form
~SETUP-BBRNGOC.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBRNGOC - Ring of Over-Compensation
~SETUP-BBRNGTEL.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBRNGTEL - Ring of Teleportation
~SETUP-BBRPENT.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBRPENT - Rope of Entanglement
~SETUP-BBSCARDR.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBSCARDR - Scimitar of the Arch-Druid
~SETUP-BBSHLFR.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBSHLFR - Hellfire Sword
~SETUP-BBSTAF11.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBSTAF11 - Staff of the Archmagi
~SETUP-BBSW1H51.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBSW1H51 - Celestial Storm
~SETUP-BBSW1NDL.TP2~ #0 #0 // Installation of Item BBSW1NDL - Needle
~SETUP-IWD2-AMMO-V1.TP2~ #0 #0 // Bottomless bags
~SETUP-IWD2-AMMO-V1.TP2~ #0 #1 // Ammo belts
~SETUP-IWD2-AMMO-V1.TP2~ #0 #2 // Ammo belt available in Henghelm's store
~SETUP-IWD2-AMMO-V1.TP2~ #0 #3 // Ammo belt available in Gallaway's store
~SETUP-IWD2-AMMO-V1.TP2~ #0 #4 // Ammo belt available in Artemus store
~SETUP-IWD2-AMMO-V1.TP2~ #0 #5 // Ammo belt available in Beodaewn's store
~SETUP-IWD2-AMMO-V1.TP2~ #0 #6 // Ammo belt available in Tahvo's store
~SETUP-IWD2-AMMO-V1.TP2~ #0 #7 // Ammo belt available in Conlan's store
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #100 // Unlimited Ammo Stacking
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #110 // Unlimited Gem and Jewelry Stacking
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #120 // Unlimited Potion Stacking
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #130 // Unlimited Scroll Stacking
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #200 // Make Bags of Holding Bottomless
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #300 // Weapon Animation Tweaks
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #400 // Force All Dialogue to Pause Game
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #600 // 100% Learn Spells
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #700 // Stores Sell Higher Stacks of Items
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #800 // Staff, Club, and Sling Sellability
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1100 // Save in Each Area
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1200 // Magically Created Weapons Have Zero Weigth
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1300 // Maximum HP for Non-Party-Joinable NPCs
~IWD2TWEAKS/SETUP-IWD2TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1400 // Potions and Gems Require Identification
~SETUP-COMSTORE.TP2~ #0 #0 // comstore
~SETUP-LOS.TP2~ #0 #1 // Druid Armor Fix
~SETUP-LOS.TP2~ #0 #2 // Light of Selune MOD
~SETUP-TACTICS4IWD2.TP2~ #0 #0 // Tactics4IWD2
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #0 // Bugfixes
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #1 // Infinite Stacking
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #2 // Non-Combat War Chant of the Sith
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #3 // Improved Holy Avenger (Lawful: +2d6 vs. Chaos; Dispel On Hit, Will saves)
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #5 // No-Fists for Iron Body
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #6 // Deep Gnome Starting XP
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #7 // Improved Moonblades
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #8 // Improved Monk Fists
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #9 // Collector's Edition Bonus Items
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #11 // Magic Weapon Finesse
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #13 // Some Heart of Fury Items In Normal Mode
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #14 // Stronger Bastard Swords
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #16 // Non-Linear Teleportation
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #17 // Armor and Shields Provide Damage Resistance
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #18 // Include Forgotten Armor and Shields
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #20 // Alternate Shapeshifting
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #21 // Skip Battle Square
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #23 // Faster Oswald
~SETUP-IWD2-EASE.TP2~ #0 #19 // Additional Druid Spells

There are non-WeiDU mods, fixes, etc. not listed here.

Edited by coineineagh, 11 July 2008 - 05:13 AM.

[Sammi Somara]

It's only boring if you have no imagination. I mean well written dialogue and character development is all well and good, but it's just as fun to make a party of your own characters and roleplay each one, deciding yourself how they react and interact. Who needs in-game banters when you can make up your own banters in your head? In fact, it give a greater degree of freedom and flexibility to the game. What I like about it is I can have a completely different party each time, and it's never the same game twice.

[Cal Jones]

Well...my feelings on IWD2 are mixed. I loathe the prologue in Targos, but it starts to improve once you're past the goblin warrens and gets really enjoyable after the ice temple. The first time I played it, I didn't like it at all to start. By the end I was enjoying it so much I wanted to start again immediately with a new party.
Having said that, if you use Domi's NPC mod, the boring bits become more bearable, and the quality of the mod is every good, even if it does slow down load times. As the guest poster says, with 10 different NPCs and 5 romanceable characters, there's lots of replayability.

Kulyok's NPC mod for IWD (1) is also wonderful. It does only have the 5 NPCs so the replayability isn't as high, but it's done really well (and the loadtimes don't suffer either). So do check that one out also. It's at Pocket Plane.

[Nuuskamuikkunen]

I'm someone who's a bit more inclined to enjoy the IWD series because party interactions, while nice, aren't 100% necessary for me and I often solo in BG. I love IWD/IWDII for the graphics, music and IMO good dialogue and stories, but as Vicen said, when you're battling so much of the time and it's just hordes and hordes of monsters through a dungeon that takes 4 hours to get through, followed by another 4 hour slaughter, and another...you just get worn out, that's why I've never completed either game. I would say I like the games, though.