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[cmorgan]

The nice thing about mods and modding is that it is a la carte, and free of charge. Please feel free to try a more traditional install, with smaller numbers of mods. There are many ways of enjoying the game, and if you feel that your frustration with one aspect of the entire IE modding community is dampening your enjoyment, please help yourself to some of the other options!

To other readers, I would ordinarily counter this post with an explination of the difficulties involved in the project, followed by a request to contact the project authors and offer your assistance in proofreading, playtesting, documentation building/charting, even straihtforward bug-reporting,

but I seem to remember responding directly to you last time, Bereth Darkides, and I think I did offer that same advice. If I am misremembering, then please forgive me for what I am about to say and get involved.

If you are the same poster, then please remember that taking from a community without giving in return is called many things by many people; I think at the least it is called "rude" and at the worst it is called "stealing". These are freely offered gifts. If you are unsatisfied, you have every right to be so - but you have an obligation to be part of the solution rather than simply waiting for others to fix it up and present you with a new gift.

Please contact the modder in question and ask how you can help. I would feel guilty if I were berating a moddder for not fixing everything, without offering a little of my time. Repaying hard work with untargeted frustration just ticks off the modder and wastes everyone's time and energy.

Edited by cmorgan, 27 July 2007 - 01:10 PM.

[Azazello]

As cmorgan goes, so goes my nation.

[Hoppy]

I feel that trying to push things along too quickly results in a product that we may still be unhappy with. It is my opinion that we are still testing these configurations and doing bug reports that are being added to the list. Horred said that v177 wasn't 100% and I took that into consideration when I installed it. I like the flavor and connectivity realising what I was in for. My coding or modding experience is 0% but I like playing as well as learning how to find/fix these bugs. There is a lot of time involved in modding as well as testing, well, the two go hand in hand, but the reason why we are waiting for 178 is that all of the bugs are not found or corrected.

Also, was there a deadline for 178? Maybe wishful thinking but this is a forum/workroom and the only time I see new versions is when it is in the download section. If there are deadlines I still wait because sometimes there is that sidecar patch that comes along. Maybe it is time to play some standalone mods and write a walkthrough or squash one bug to help someone with there mod. Even something small like that is a HUGE contribution to the modder, the forum, the players, the trees....errr
sorry, got a little carried away there.
Hoppy

[Ymarsakar]

People that wait on perfection because any flaw is seen by them as total failure, don't tend to achieve happiness over any product really.

Just because your not getting payed to do it, doesn't give you the right to ignore the critics or suggestions of so many who have done so.

You're talking about yourself and I do wonder whether you know what narcissism is. If people are ignoring you, the problem is with you, not the modders.

You don't have any rights to their creative work, if only because you didn't create it. Whatever complaints from the user community the mod authors tolerate is a privilege, not a right.

I suppose I should say thank you to all moders for your efforts, but to me it's almost to the point of "What's the point"?

Exactly, what is the point of valuing other people as individual human beings, when all that matters is what pleases or displeases you, Bereth.

[Suluku]

What is the point of complaining?

If you are desperate to play BP without the bugs of v177, you can do some research and install the old, non-weidu version 161g with S&H patch version 7. This old version has its own set of bugs, but many of these involve TDD/SOS and workarounds for most can be found in the forum archives. Alternatively, you could install the original Tactics mod plus weidu Ascension. The original Tactics mod is technically crude in some ways and this does affect gameplay, but it remains an IE classic that eveyone should play at least once. Another alternative is to try out the Improved Anvil mod from Blackwyrmlair, or build a megainstall around any other of the tactical tweak mods out there.

[berelinde]

I find it odd that a person with as many typos and spelling errors as you've got in your post might complain about bugs.

Anyway, a year for a new version is not unheard of. Why, it will soon be 6 months since the release of Gavin v1.2, and it contains one rather anoying, but not game-breaking, bug. Why, you may ask, would it take me so long to get a new release together? Haven't I any compassion for the players who must endure the agony of a bug in their installation? I feel their pain, all right, but Gavin isn't my only project. Gavin is roughly 1/20th the download size of BP.

None of us have unlimited modding time. What time we do have is often divided between several projects.

You say you have modding experience. You might offer to become part of the solution.

[Azazello]

Don't be too angry on Bereth--S/he has a curious posting history. Personally I think s/he likes (verbal) spankings!