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[younes]

I am playing ToB and have returned to Amkethran to confront Balthazar.
I would like to talk him into joining me fighting against Amelissan (I've read that it is possible), but he doesn't seem to like that I have Irenicus in my party.
I've tried to redeem Irenicus and I think I am progressing well: solved the Deva quest in Watcher's Keep by creating a new being, never promissed him a soul, always treated him with respect (never been over zealous or irrespectful), won the logic battle of words so he started questionning himself...
My reputation is 20, my PC has 25 in Wis and Int and 15 in Cha. My alignment is chaotic good.

I have fiddled a little with NI to look at Balthazard's .dlg file and it seems that if Irenicus is in the party, all dialog option lead to him fighting me.

Can someone confirm this, please?

Thank you

[kimmel]

I know nothing about the coding, so can't help in that regard.

But I did have a thought about this: while what you describe might be a bug from a coding perspective, it makes sense to me in terms of the narrative. Not everyone wants to forgive and redeem those who have been evil, and Balthazar might well fit into that category--in which case he'd never trust Irenicus and would not want to be associated with him in any positive way.

I don't know if that thought is any consolation! but it makes sense for the game to force certain hard choices, I think.

A question: while it's a severe pain that you were not able to finish the game, and that you had some definite troubles with the game towards the end, what was your overall sense of the mega-mod experience? was it more buggy in TOB than BG2? I'm just curious... I've been putting off re-playing the entire game for a while, and am itching to play it now...

[younes]

I know nothing about the coding, so can't help in that regard.

But I did have a thought about this: while what you describe might be a bug from a coding perspective, it makes sense to me in terms of the narrative. Not everyone wants to forgive and redeem those who have been evil, and Balthazar might well fit into that category--in which case he'd never trust Irenicus and would not want to be associated with him in any positive way.

I don't know if that thought is any consolation! but it makes sense for the game to force certain hard choices, I think.

A question: while it's a severe pain that you were not able to finish the game, and that you had some definite troubles with the game towards the end, what was your overall sense of the mega-mod experience? was it more buggy in TOB than BG2? I'm just curious... I've been putting off re-playing the entire game for a while, and am itching to play it now...

Hi Kimmel,

I have to say that until the very end, TOB with BP and The Longer Road mods worked flawlessly.
There are a couple of little bugs here and there (see my various previous posts) but no show stoppers and well worth seeing Irenicus and Sarevok going at each other! So yes you should definitively try.
For some reason (either dumb luck or I actually successfully followed the install direction properly) but I had a VERY pleasant adventure playing BGT+BP with a bunch of mega mods, with little to no bugs. I have to say the Check the bodies is the one that gave me the must trouble as lots of variables are broken in the game. So if you are not familiar with the Near Infinity Engine editor, I would avoid it.

Take a look at my Weidu, you are welcome to inspire yourself!:

// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods
// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
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~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #101 // Improved Spell Animations
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #103 // Mixed-Use Dagger Fixes
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #104 // Ghreyfain's Holy Symbol Fixes
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #105 // Additional Hero Quests in Trademeet Wait Until Hero is Officially Named
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #106 // Giants Receive Penalties When Attacking Halflings, Dwarves, and Gnomes
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #107 // Remove Dual-Classing Restriction from Archers and Stalkers
~BG2FIXPACK/SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #108 // Remove Second Attribute Bonus for Evil Path in Wrath Hell Trial
~SETUP-SOS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Shadows Over Soubar, v1.11
~SETUP-SOS.TP2~ #0 #1 // Remorhaz walking speed adjustment (for ENGLISH version .EXE ONLY!!!)
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~SETUP-TDD.TP2~ #0 #1 // TDD Character Kits
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~SETUP-DSOTSC.TP2~ #0 #0 // DSotSC for BGT-Weidu v1.85 Mod
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~SETUP-BONEHILL.TP2~ #0 #0 // Bone Hill Mod v2.05 (Requires BGT-Weidu or Tutu)
~1STMOD/SETUP-1STMOD.TP2~ #0 #0 // 1St Mod. Correct IDS, Scriptable Spells, and similar beneficious stuff.
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~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #2 // Kalah and What He Was Promised
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #3 // "Cat and Mouse" (Bodhi hunts you in Spellhold) by Ghreyfain
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #4 // Gorje Hilldark and the Extended Illithium Quest
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #5 // The Pai'Na/Spider's Bane Quest
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #6 // Restored Crooked Crane Inn
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #7 // Restored Encounters
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #8 // Artemis Entreri in Bodhi's Lair
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #9 // Corrected "Xzar's Creations"
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #10 // Restored Hell Minions, by SimDing0
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #11 // Gorf the Squisher Fix, by Gebhard Blucher
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #12 // Item Restorations
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #13 // Yoshimo's Original Portrait
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #14 // Anomen's Original Portrait
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #15 // NPC Portrait Restorations
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #16 // Corrected BAMs and Scripts
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #17 // Corrected Character Names and Biographies
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #19 // Restored Bhaalspawn Powers, by David Gaider
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~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #22 // Justifier Kit
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #23 // Feralan Kit
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~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #5 // Improved Kangaxx Encounter, by Kensai Ryu
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #6 // Kensai Ryu's Improved Crypt King
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #7 // Kensai Ryu's Gnome Fighter/Illusionist in the Docks
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~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #10 // Red Badge, Poison-Based Encounter, by Westley Weimer
~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ #0 #11 // Kuroisan the Acid Kensai, by Westley Weimer
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~SETUP-BGTTWEAK.TP2~ #0 #14 // Coran responds to the death of a wyvern
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~SETUP-BGTTWEAK.TP2~ #0 #17 // Hooded unarmoured mages and thieves
~SETUP-CELESTIALS.TP2~ #0 #0 // PnP Celestials
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~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2030 // Two-Handed Katanas
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2060 // Weapon Styles for All
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2070 // Druids Use Cleric Level and Spell Progression
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~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2150 // Wear Multiple Protection Items -> P&P Restrictions
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2160 // Rebalanced Weapon Proficiencies
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2200 // Multi-Class Grand Mastery (Weimer)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2210 // True Grand Mastery (Baldurdash)
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~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #60 // Weapon Animation Tweaks
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #70 // Icewind Dale Casting Graphics (Andyr)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #100 // Commoners Use Drab Colors
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~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #120 // Change Avatar When Wearing Robes or Armor (Galactygon)
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~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1070 // Improved Kick-out Dialogues
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~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1090 // Exotic Item Pack
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1120 // Stores Sell Higher Stacks of Items
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1150 // Shapeshifter Rebalancing
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1160 // Multiple Strongholds (Baldurdash)
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1180 // Female Edwina
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~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3020 // Identify All Items
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~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3190 // Rest Anywhere (Japheth)
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~SETUP-TSV609.TP2~ #0 #0 // TORTURED SOULS v6.09 (Patch to TS v6.09)
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[kimmel]

thanks for the reply, Younes!

I had noticed you had not contributed much to the list of bugs, so I was wondering whether you'd have overall good things to report--and I'm glad to hear that you do (that's an assessment that can get lost in the myriad posts about littler things). So I'm encouraged, and will start working on my new install...