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[Kaeloree]

This is something which has been on my mind for a while now. Bodhi is, to me, one of the most interesting characters in Baldur's Gate 2, and I really wish her character had been expanded somehow.

There are a lot of different views on her as a character, I've found; I'm not quite sure what I think of her. I sometimes wonder if she was the one who filled Joneleth's head with the power-hunger that eventually lead to him becoming Irenicus, the Shattered One; that she was behind it all, constantly whispering into her brother's ear about the power he could attain, the respect, eventually destroying him.

Or was it the other way around? Did Irenicus persuade her to help him, and then warped her mind through his experiments, and the loss of her soul, suggesting a vampiric solution - perhaps using her as a test subject?

I'm very interested to hear everyone else's opinions!

[Azkyroth]

It always seemed to me as though the fact that she was never as well regarded as Joneleth, combined with Demin blaming Joneleth's corruption on Bodhi, was pretty suspicious. Maybe it was easier for the people of Suldanessellar to blame her than to accept that their former hero had really been fully responsible for his own evil.

[theacefes]

I would have posted a replica of Azzy's comment but he stole it from me.


I don't think she was intelligent enough to be behind all of that.

[Kellen]

Bodhi is rash and impulsive from what we could see in BG2. I don't think it would have taken any convincing from Joneleth to help him attain godlike power, or to go become a vampire. Others have said that she pushed him because she wanted power for him, and though it's possible, it seems very odd. Or perhaps she needed him for power and so she seduced him with tales of power, possibly that he might do greater good.

In other words, there are a lot of theories, as varied and crazy as the next. Write it how you want it written.

[OldVeteran]

Just make a mod for Bodhi and convince us of your viewpoint

[Ilmatar]

Bodhi is rash and impulsive from what we could see in BG2. I don't think it would have taken any convincing from Joneleth to help him attain godlike power, or to go become a vampire. Others have said that she pushed him because she wanted power for him, and though it's possible, it seems very odd. Or perhaps she needed him for power and so she seduced him with tales of power, possibly that he might do greater good.

I think I'll agree with Kael. Bodhi is, indeed, a very interesting character, but she is way too playful and rash to be the brains behind the pairs evil schemes. Irenicus, however, is as we know very intelligent and powerful. Maybe he was amused by Bodhi's general sinister enthusiasm. I somehow see Bodhi as the one who goes about doing stuff without much thinking, and Irenicus as the one who plans and thinks everything through before takin action. That way Bodhi was the perfect hench(wo)man for Irenicus - the one who could keep things rolling and who would go about having fun ripping people's throats with her teeth while Irenicus would plot alone and prepare for the big show.

[Azkyroth]

Bodhi is rash and impulsive from what we could see in BG2. I don't think it would have taken any convincing from Joneleth to help him attain godlike power, or to go become a vampire. Others have said that she pushed him because she wanted power for him, and though it's possible, it seems very odd.

I'm pretty sure Bitter Grey Ashes had a take on this. I'll have to look it up from the office.

Or perhaps she needed him for power and so she seduced him

While presumably just a potentially unfortunate word choice, that frankly wouldn't surprise me either... ;/

One thing I'm curious about is whether they're really blood relations, or whether she was his "sister" the way Isilven is mine; I always assumed the former but apparently there was some community debate on this at some point. Any thoughts?

[Kellen]

Bodhi is rash and impulsive from what we could see in BG2. I don't think it would have taken any convincing from Joneleth to help him attain godlike power, or to go become a vampire. Others have said that she pushed him because she wanted power for him, and though it's possible, it seems very odd.

I'm pretty sure Bitter Grey Ashes had a take on this. I'll have to look it up from the office.

Yes I remember reading part of it before. Long time ago though. Don't remember much.

Or perhaps she needed him for power and so she seduced him

While presumably just a potentially unfortunate word choice, that frankly wouldn't surprise me either... ;/

And that my friend is why you quote the whole thing. Things get weird if you don't. But then again the strangeness of English could be helping.

One thing I'm curious about is whether they're really blood relations, or whether she was his "sister" the way Isilven is mine; I always assumed the former but apparently there was some community debate on this at some point. Any thoughts?

I'd always assumed the first as well. Afterall she tells the Player that she wants to go to Spellhold for her brother (I don't remember if it was to rescue or kill), and what would be the point in calling him brother over something else (particularly if the second is true).

[Ilmatar]

One thing I'm curious about is whether they're really blood relations, or whether she was his "sister" the way Isilven is mine; I always assumed the former but apparently there was some community debate on this at some point. Any thoughts?

I believe someone - Domin, I guess - explained that they were not actually related. Or I'm just imagining things. Hmm, I might as well check it.

***EDIT:
Okay, first of all her name was Demin, not Domin and here is something she said. Apparently, Bodhi was after all the one who lured Irenicus into it all. The curious thing is, that this is the first time Demin uses the words brother and sister, but with quote marks.

Edited by Ilmatar, 08 March 2007 - 11:12 AM.

[Shining Light]

Um...can't actually read that, sorry. Well, I can read bits, but it's mostly too small.

I agree with those who say that Bodhi was not the brains behind the whole thing. She's not smart enough. She's a party girl, not a books girl, if you know what I mean.

Edited by Shining Light, 08 March 2007 - 12:57 PM.

[Ilmatar]

Um...can't actually read that, sorry. Well, I can read bits, but it's mostly too small.

You gotta click it to see the full version!

[Shining Light]

Ah! Just saw the button I needed to press. Whoops. I kind thought just clicking randomly on it would do it...

[berelinde]

Heh. I just read your post and then clicked randomly on it, wondering why I couldn't see it bigger.

I need to go home. Work is rotting my brain.

[theacefes]

Bodhi is rash and impulsive from what we could see in BG2. I don't think it would have taken any convincing from Joneleth to help him attain godlike power, or to go become a vampire. Others have said that she pushed him because she wanted power for him, and though it's possible, it seems very odd.

I'm pretty sure Bitter Grey Ashes had a take on this. I'll have to look it up from the office.

Or perhaps she needed him for power and so she seduced him

While presumably just a potentially unfortunate word choice, that frankly wouldn't surprise me either... ;/

One thing I'm curious about is whether they're really blood relations, or whether she was his "sister" the way Isilven is mine; I always assumed the former but apparently there was some community debate on this at some point. Any thoughts?

It's never actually said in the game except in quotations ('sister'). One thought of mine was that perhaps she was referring to herself as his elven "sister" as a sarcastic...ish statement leading up to the point in Chapter 6 where she admits that they were elves.

How are we related Azzy?

[Azkyroth]

It's never actually said in the game except in quotations ('sister'). One thought of mine was that perhaps she was referring to herself as his elven "sister" as a sarcastic...ish statement leading up to the point in Chapter 6 where she admits that they were elves.

That I hadn't considered. It does make a certain sense, though.

How are we related Azzy?

*squeaks, thinks a moment*

[berelinde]

How unusual is it for the animus, the driving force, for a change to be "weaker" than the change itself?

Bodhi had a hunger for more power than an elf of her stature would ordinarly wield. She manipulated a more powerful elf, Jonaleth, with his full cooperation.

I don't know if it's a case of one corrupting the other. I think Bodhi showed Irenicus something that he wanted for himself and he went for it.

Kind of a twisted Adam and Eve story.

[Kellen]

whether she was his "sister" the way Isilven is mine; I always assumed the former but apparently there was some community debate on this at some point. Any thoughts?

How are we related Azzy?

Did I miss something?

[Kaeloree]

I've always wanted to write an Irenicus/Bodhi story, which dealt with what happened up to where they were rejected by the Seldarine. I think it'd be a very interesting thing to delve into - does anyone know of any other fics which do this?

Heh, that would be an interesting prequel game- you're an adventurer coming to the aid of Queen Ellesime in her hour of need, as Irenicus and Bodhi try to take the Tree. I'd play it, anyway. ;P

[Kellen]

Isn't that what BGA is supposed to do? Or has it been too long and I'm just very confused. I mean I know it starts with him in Amkethran, but isn't he remembering things from before his fall.

[Kaeloree]

Possibly - I've never read Bitter Grey Ashes, but I've heard good things about it.