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[Kaeloree]

Yeah - we won't be bringing back Yoshimo, tempting as it may be. This is the NPC Interaction Expansion project, not the Yoshimo Redemption project.

HOWEVER.

If someone would like to write and code such a project, I would not be at all averse to have it included in the pack! Everything will be in separate components, so you don't have to choose to redeem him.

The problem with Yoshimo is that he has no ToB banter, nor any banter after Spellhold (obviously) - so if someone would like to take it on, it means writing at least 32 banters for ToB (2 with each NPC), 7-8 PC dialogues, the rest of the SoA interjections, all the ToB interjections... It's a lot of work!

But if someone with a very firm grip of his character wants to take it on, and the idea is sound, then I'd be happy to include it. The main thing is that it must keep the tragedy of Yoshimo's story - we felt that all the ideas we could come up with cheapened it. If you can think of a way to do it without cheapening his death and sacrifice for his sister, well...

[berelinde]

I'm not sure Yoshimo's connection with Tamoko was not added by a mod. I don't seem to recall it in an unmodified game, but then, it's been so long since I've played an unmodified game that I'm not even sure I remember what it looked like anymore.

One way or the other, though, the relationship between them has been established.

[Kulyok]

The problem with Yoshimo is that he has no ToB banter, nor any banter after Spellhold (obviously) - so if someone would like to take it on, it means writing at least 32 banters for ToB (2 with each NPC)

Why? Neither Kelsey nor Xan nor any existing NPC(probably) has that, and even with Banter Accelerator, they won't have time to fire - unless it is scripted a-la Kelsey Imoen romance.

I'm not sure Yoshimo's connection with Tamoko was not added by a mod. I don't seem to recall it in an unmodified game, but then, it's been so long since I've played an unmodified game that I'm not even sure I remember what it looked like anymore.

It's Bioware-confirmed she was his sister(Gaider).

[Kaeloree]

Er, I meant 32 banters all up - 2 with each NPC, which is quite reasonable, I would have thought. In game, of course, you would only be seeing 8 banters each playthrough, and I see that in my game.

Yeah, as Kulyok said, it has been confirmed by Gaider

[Kulyok]

Er, I meant 32 banters all up - 2 with each NPC, which is quite reasonable, I would have thought. In game, of course, you would only be seeing 8 banters each playthrough, and I see that in my game.

Yes, that's what I meant: to me, there's no sense in writing more than one ToB banter for each NPC, unless it is a scripted friendship/romance path.

[Kulyok]

And even Bioware almost wanted to bring the guy back. But yeah, it would be alot of work seeing he has 0,0 interjections after spellhold and TOB, same goes for his banters, making him as boring as any multiplayer created NPC.

I don't know about a lot of work, but it is possible to create a Bioware-comparable NPC in a week(see Hessa now or Tiax soon). Unless you wish to make him romance PC, be compatible with Keto and other mods and have at least four quests, a week, two on the outside, is more than enough.

Edited by Kulyok, 25 January 2007 - 01:18 AM.

[Hide and Seek]

I know you're not gonna bring Yoshimo back, but I just have to ask about the conditions when you die from a Geas. When the Geas have been activated, it hurt and kills the one who has it placed upon him or herself. Does it remain there, in case the NPC should be revived, and kills them again at an instant? Or is it just not possible to ressurect someone who has been killed by a Geas?

[berelinde]

I'm not sure Yoshimo's connection with Tamoko was not added by a mod. I don't seem to recall it in an unmodified game, but then, it's been so long since I've played an unmodified game that I'm not even sure I remember what it looked like anymore.

It's Bioware-confirmed she was his sister(Gaider).

I'm not arguing that. I know that it was intended, and it was certainly hinted, but I don't know if it was ever spelled out. That isn't to say it shouldn't be included in IEP, in fact, I think it should be brought to the fore. I'm just saying that it needs to be subtly emphasized, because it is, in fact, not as blatantly obvious as it could have been.

[Witch Hunter]

Now, Sarevok could be raised even when his body was missing, simply by the soul of his sibling. Which is <CHARNAME> or Imoen, seeing they all are children of bhaal.
Now, what does this have to do with Yoshimo? Now here you go. Why couldn't Yoshimo's wraith be revived same as Sarevok, simply by the blood of his sibling. Or more directly, by the soul of Tamoko, his sister.
the indirect reason for his geas with irenicus and Yoshimo's unlucky end, could have the power to revive him once more, if only <CHARNAME> could find and convice her.

That's all nice and well but you overlook the fact Sarevok was a demigod when he died, it's been mentioned countless times and again that he was among the strongest bhaalspawns at his time...
Plus, his brother, the infamous CHARNAME, is practicly a demigod (not only by blood, but by actual level and power) by the time he raises him, his powers are formidable (a fact we tend to overlook because he always fights someone stronger than him, but seriously, he can single handly destroy a city ;p!)
and the whole no geas thing...




Regardless, why is everyone so thrilled over Yoshimo? he's one of the worst NPCs in the game o_0
I much rather Jan as a thief (and as a companion, he's much more funny)

Edited by Witch Hunter, 25 January 2007 - 07:46 AM.

[Witch Hunter]

because clearly they thought he was boring too

jokes jokes...


And you understood me wrong, Sarevok was a powerful being when he died, regardless of losing his divine status or not, Yoshimo was a rather lousy rogue... as Sarevok mentioned, he scratched and crawled his way back into the world of the living... I doubt Yoshimo could do much in wherever afterlife took him

And theres still the divine spark in CHARNAME's soul that brought him back to life, I doubt a normal one would do!

[Witch Hunter]

scrolls of reversal aren't meant to be common

[Witch Hunter]

Well you should think twice before bringing cespenar into a conversation next time!

[vilkacis]

At ToB levels, it wouldn't be much of a problem to get Yoshimo back, even if he's been dead a while by the time you get there. All you need is a spell the game already provides - Wish. About two or three of them should do it.

1) Restore Yoshimo's body. (So he's not returned just to die again because the body can't support life.) Or create a new one, if necessary.
2) Restore Yoshimo's spirit to said body. (You might be able to combine #1 and #2 if you're smart enough.)
Optionally: 3) Break geas. (Probably not needed, the geas is likely spent after doing its job.)

...of course, in PnP, casting Wish will age you several years and force you to rest for days before you can do anything else, which ToB conveniently "forgets".

(...IIRC even Limited Wish is enough to get rid of a geas, which means that a PC with access to the spell at Spellhold would be able to free Yoshimo, put him back in the party and be on his merry way without further problems...)

Oh, and a clever PC might actually be able to get someone else to do the wishing for him. Ellesime should definitely be able to have it arranged, if asked. She definitely owes the party as much.


As for Tamoko, I think we definitely need to have Sarevok and the PC talk about her. I don't believe there's a way to detect if she died BG1, even if the mainchar was imported, but it could certainly be interesting if the PC states that he didn't kill her. (This doesn't necessarily mean she's still alive, of course... and Sarevok may or may not believe you.)

...it's been a while since I played BG1... I'm not sure if it's clear that Sarevok actually cares about her, or just keeps her around for other reasons...