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[berelinde]

Maybe if she didn't *look* human/elvish it wouldn't be a problem. If she were clearly otherworldly, it might be kind of like Highlander: he's going to live forever, she's going to whither and die, and that's just because he's immortal, but she's subject to aging.

I confess, I'm having a hard time getting my head around it, too.

It's like this: your parents, your parents friends, and your teachers tend to think of you as a kid even after you're all grown up and have kids of your own. You are sitting in parent-teacher conferences with your child's teacher, who happens to be the same one you had. It feels funny because it *is* funny. You both cling to the the last bits of the teacher-child relationship you had all those years ago even though you both know that you are adults now. It's odd.

Having a girl who appears to be 13 in my party and watching her grow would make me feel more parental than romantic, if you know what I'm trying and failing to say. I would not admire her developing skills and talents as a lover, but as a mentor. If she was aging very quickly, my interest in saving her would stem from paternal/maternal instinct rather than romantic love.

If you think spoilers would help, please fire away. I'm always open to hear any argument, but I will not promise to agree.

We all tend to form our relationships early. It is possible for a relationship to develop, but rarely to change radically. If my male pc caught himself admiring Valasse, he would probably feel as if he had violated her, even if she now looked like she was 50.

Edited by BGhead, 17 December 2006 - 12:30 PM.

[Zyraen]

That's a good point. I never thought Valasse plot was possible to complete due to a non-romantic story arc, but with this idea it seems feasible without taking over the PC's ongoing romances.

[berelinde]

If you wanted to implement this as a non-romantic story arc, one where the PC was intervening to save a companion who was his friend, I would think this was a wonderful story idea.

[Jolyth]

Well said and I agree with you BG. A non-romantic idea is the way to go, but that is just my opinion.

[Kulyok]

I think Berelinde/BGhead phrased it better than I ever could.

[Azkyroth]

Well, I'd be willing to help regardless, but my time is limited and my own brainchild comes first.

[Magnus_025]

Ok, I would not like this project to die so I will say a few things. First, I have talked with Zyraen about Valasse and nobody has to worry about the "age thing". She has the appearance of a young girl when you met her, but things are not always what they seem at first glance...

I am spanish and I don't know which was it's english name, but do you people remember the TV serial "V"? (as it was called here, and suppose that in everywhere). In that serial, there was a little child, daughter of an human woman and a Visitor (lizard-man). She grew up faster than a normal girl, both physical and mentally, she even stole her mother's boyfriend. Don't think Valasse is just like this (it's quite different), but her growing rate is almost the same as that character. So if noone thought viewing that serial that the relationship between that girl and her boyfriend (who was actually older than her, because she was 13 years old one night and on her twenties the next) wasn't pederasty, why think that thing for this mod?

Second, the story behind this mod is just great and would add lots of fun to Baldur's Gate. She is an amazing character and may turn into one of the favourite characters for a lot of people, especifically for the ones that want to play with a different character

I offered Zyraen my help in writting part (if not all) of the relationship-romance, but I really need help because I have never wrote a romance before (exactly I never wrote anything). I need advices, guidance, and talks-ideas, so if anyone is willing to help, please contact me (or Zyraen!!!) via Pm or (in my case hotmail).

Please, don't let this project die.
Thanks, Magnus_025

Edited by K'aeloree, 06 January 2007 - 06:08 PM.

[Azkyroth]

I'm semi-in contact with Zyraen, and will help to the extent I can (the character sounds fascinating so far, but even she wasn't the response here would convince me to make some efforts to bring the character to life ). And now that I'm done crawling all over semitractors for a while, I can actually do something to help x.x

[Kamui2040]

This NPC sounds really great, and although a romantic path could be controversial, it isn't that far fetched. Think of teachers getting in love with their pupils.
Of course if you decide for the non-romantic path, it would be in the lines of parent/child, mentor/pupil older brother(sister)/younger sister or simply friend/friend, there are a lot of options here.
Anyway if you decide to continue it, i whish you the best of luck, and hope to play this npc in the future.

[berelinde]

Oops. Went too far. Sorry.

Edited by BGhead, 09 January 2007 - 03:42 AM.

[Kaeloree]

Okay, please, people, I thought it had been explained enough that your relationship with Valasse is *nothing* like a student/teacher or parent/child relationship. Enough, please.

[Magnus_025]

I can understand it if a lot of people don't like the idea of this NPC, but please, stop believing that is something like: "I took care of a child who had the peculiarity of phisically growing very quickly and when she looked like a woman, still thinking like a child, I went to bed with her. It is nothing of the sort". She is not a Lolita.
It could be very easy for Zyraen or for us (the ones who know the story) to tell you what really happens to Valasse, but that would mean the end of the mod.
I will try hard to make this mod, and even if in the end I am not its writter I would really love to play this mod in the future. It's true story is so heartbreaking (for me) that a simple thing like her current age, cannot stop from playing.
It's ok, I agree that a friendship path would be logical, well I haven't written anything in my life, so it will be very difficult for me to write all the stuff (lovetalks, interjections, quest specific dialogs and the sort) More, making a friendship track would be very difficult and Zyraen would like this Npc to be like a Bioware NPC and you can't have a friendship path with Jaheira, Aerie or Viconia in the vanilla game. The story behind Valasse is only believable if you are romancing her, but again it would suppose to make a huge spoiler which I will not do.
So please, open your mind to new things. And if this mod comes to life any time give it a try, and if you don't like what you are watching (or reading), just uninstall it. I assure you that you will not do it (even if it is another one who writes it).
Nothing more and thanks to the ones who give support to this wannabe mod (and wannabe writter).

Edited by Magnus_025, 11 January 2007 - 03:21 AM.

[AnnabelleRose]

Okay, please, people, I thought it had been explained enough that your relationship with Valasse is *nothing* like a student/teacher or parent/child relationship. Enough, please.

Good post.

How about a little trust in Zyraen?

Look at his other mods. Does anything indicate that he is a pervert and this will become tacky and or sick?

@ Zyraen - I will help as much as I can with thsi project (as time and writer's block allows).

@ Everyone else - Don't like it? Don't download it.

[Magnus_025]

Ok, thanks for the support MTS, I will not post here again trying to convince people to give it a try when it is done, if it is done.
And guest, don't worry, none offence taken. I have studied english for eight years and I know the basics. The problem is the lack of practise and of time to improve it. If I write the romance, I'll try my best to do it properly and I will also be helped by native speakers who will proofread what I write.
It's a personal matter, to write a romance for my favourite game so far, to write it in a language that is not my mother-one, and to finally give something to the communities and people that have already given so much to me.
Thanks!

Edited by Magnus_025, 11 January 2007 - 03:16 AM.

[Magnus_025]

Thanks guest! By the way you could register or log in to be able to call you something appart from Guest, but is all right for me. As we spanish people say: You hear bells ringing, but don't know where they are! Ok, what is left now is to await, time will put things on its place.

[berelinde]

Zyraen's ability to produce a credible mod that is not offensive was not in question. Everyone has ideas they may rethink. Discussion can help refine those ideas.

You simply told everyone who disagreed that their ideas were unwelcome and that they should go download something else. Fair enough. There are plenty to choose from. I simply had not expected the "my mod, my way" chant here.

[Zyraen]

I doubt this mod will be mine. I barely have enough time to get things as it is. If it is going to happen you guys can work with Magnus to produce the script. Once that is done, coding it should be a relative piece of cake. Most of the basic code is already done up in the pre-alpha anyway.

Edited by Zyraen, 12 January 2007 - 10:52 AM.

[wellunhappy]

Please I again ask you to keep this non-romantic it?s just wrong in so many ways.

How about using the other suggestions put forward like parent/child, mentor/pupil older brother (sister)/younger sister or simply friend/friend.

I like the suggestion put forward by magnus 025 using the ?V? storyline. So maybe set a romance start trigger of say when she gets older. Something like she starts to be romance able in her 20?s.

Anyway you?ve obviously created a lot of interest, whether this was planned or accidental the result is the same, now all that?s left to do is finish it, he, he