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[seanas]

NEJ2 is compatible with a fullBP-BGT install, as long as you:
1. alter the NE2 tp2 to remove the check for baldurdash (open Setup-NE2.tp2 with an editor of yr choice, and remove the line "REQUIRE_FILE ~override/Spell.ids~ ~Please install the Baldurdash fixpack before installation of this mod.~")
2. use the NEJ-BGT compatibilty modification
3. use the NEJ2 auto biffer (actually, this step isn't essential, i'd jsut recommend it).

as for why you can't get thru the portal, i'm not entirely sure at the moment: is NEJ2 present in yr weidu.log?

[horred the plague]

NEJ2 is compatible with a fullBP-BGT install, as long as you:
1. alter the NE2 tp2 to remove the check for baldurdash (open Setup-NE2.tp2 with an editor of yr choice, and remove the line "REQUIRE_FILE ~override/Spell.ids~ ~Please install the Baldurdash fixpack before installation of this mod.~")
2. use the NEJ-BGT compatibilty modification
3. use the NEJ2 auto biffer (actually, this step isn't essential, i'd jsut recommend it).

as for why you can't get thru the portal, i'm not entirely sure at the moment: is NEJ2 present in yr weidu.log?

It was KD himself, a while back, that told me to put BD-weidu after NeJ2. I cannot see how it would have messed it up, in this way--even by going first.

I put it after, and about a dozen or so mods not on that list---and my "TELE2IWD" script in the jail portal is intact.

Just double-checked, absolutely no referrence to AR0602 in BD-ToB.tp2 file.

I also disagree with the order on that list, and I again back the one I gave in the BP forums. I derived it from studying the tp2 files, and how they relate to BGT-weidu. Also, the list of "after BP" mods is growing.

[seanas]

I also disagree with the order on that list, and I again back the one I gave in the BP forums. I derived it from studying the tp2 files, and how they relate to BGT-weidu. Also, the list of "after BP" mods is growing.

no worries: it's a work in progress. i figured some advice was better than none you've got moderators powers: edit the sticky as necessary until we get a finalised version, and then we can get Seb to make it an announcement.

on the location of BD in the install process: the list is largely plagiarised from KD's install order post in the CtB forums - or are you saying that NEJ2 should go in step 1a, between the full install and BD?

Edited by seanas, 20 March 2006 - 07:35 AM.

[dragonian]

Yes thats what Horred is saying
BD should go after NeJ.

[Ascension64]

I don't believe that changes anything. In my experience, NeJ2 Part 1 doesn't install because it can't find CLASS.IDS in the override directory. It is so easy to skip straight over that component without even knowing whether you installed it or not. Check your WeiDU.log, in any case. Installing BD-WeiDU before or after NeJ2 and having this component be skipped will both cause the 'IWD' portion of the game to be missed entirely.

[horred the plague]

Well I've tried three different installs of NEJ42b now over a clean patched install.

1st, as I described above, installing BD-WeiDU before NEJ...
2nd, trying to install NEJ before BD-Weidu...
3rd, Installing Non-WeiDU BD, then NEJ - and that worked fine (I COULD enter the portal)...

For both the first and second installs I removed that line from the tp2, but during those installs I get Failure("resource [SIMEJ.DLG] not found for 'APPEND'"), rolling back to previous version...

All times NEJ components were listed in my WeiDU log, though obviously on the first two installs not all components were listed because of that failure. I also tried installing without the biffer but got the same error.

So, unless mayhaps I have done something extremely silly, it would seem that NEJ is only compatible with NON-WeiDU BD, contrary to a few recent posts.

I wonder what would happen if I installed the NON-WeiDU BD, then NEJ, then BD-WeiDU? Would that have obvious dire concequences?

If this is a no-no then I guess it looks like NEJ should not be installed with BD-Weidu at all? Thanks.

We believe you, when you say that "the installer told you" this didn't work. What we don't believe is that the way we are describing to install "doesn't work in-game", where it actually matters. We think our way will work just fine, and I've personally tested it.

But make your own call,whatever you are comfortable. I'm really of the opinion that it doesn't matter how you do it, just get baldurdash in there somehow.

[horred the plague]

Anyway all I did differently this time is delete ALL the following lines from Setup-NE2.tp2...the install went beautifully this time with hardly a complaint.

I've had those lines deleted since the moment I discovered them!

I'm sorry for wasting your time on this. I'm still scratching my head about why it didn't work the first time, but all that matters is that it now "works in game" - and it does!

No sweat; glad it worked out for you! Enjoy...

[Golden Thief]

This may be for naught but I did it anyway.

Since it seemed there have been post about failed NEJ installs I thought I would try and duplicate these errors and see what could be done to help find a better solution then total reinstall of SoA-ToB and the NEJ.


The Official install is as follows
SoA - Full
Tob - Full
ToB official patch
Balderdash 112

Then you are to unpack NEJ in to the SOA folder and run setupNEJ. This can be in the orginal install folder or in a multi-install folder. Gamers post that after doing this they immediately have gotten install errors, this is why I tried what I did. And I felt like the most unsuccessful crasher ever.

After 4 hours on two computers one Athlon and the other a Pentium, I was unable to produce a single error other then a repeated "Please install Official TOB patch". So in order to try to produce an installation error. I deleted the required file lines and removed Balderdash. I aborted the install in mid cycle, I removed weidu.log so it would install over files. I even did the unthinkable I missused horrid's autobiffer. I did everthing short of altering needed code. Everything would uninstall and reinstall without giving me any errors. I even had the game biffed with NEJ files in the overrride. I even started the games made new characters and exited out the north portal to make sure that it was installed.


Then I stated thinking hey what version of weidu does the orignal install have and could that be more of the problem because I was using weidu 190 and 191.

Now after 2 hours on two computers crashing the install by aborting in mid cycle using the orginal weidu which is 185 I can produce error after error. Now here is the thing when I get these errors and the try to reinstall and it will not, each time I update to weidu 191 it will re-install without a problem.

So a suggestion set up your fresh install as directed. Immediately do not pass go but update the weidu installer to 191 then proceed. If and only if you have done this correctly and you get the error "Please install TOB UPdate".
Open the TP2 file and delete the required file checks or do this first anyway. For some reason I think weidu 191 doesn't like the way they are listed is all I can gather about that.

I know since we all have different makes of computers this might not work but I would like to know if at any time someone does try this if it works or not for them?

Because if it is as simple as having used an old version of weidu then when we make a mega install we should make sure every installer has been updated.

Cheers

[erebusant]

This may be for naught but I did it anyway.

Since it seemed there have been post about failed NEJ installs I thought I would try and duplicate these errors and see what could be done to help find a better solution then total reinstall of SoA-ToB and the NEJ.


The Official install is as follows
SoA - Full
Tob - Full
ToB official patch
Balderdash 112

Then you are to unpack NEJ in to the SOA folder and run setupNEJ. This can be in the orginal install folder or in a multi-install folder. Gamers post that after doing this they immediately have gotten install errors, this is why I tried what I did. And I felt like the most unsuccessful crasher ever.

After 4 hours on two computers one Athlon and the other a Pentium, I was unable to produce a single error other then a repeated "Please install Official TOB patch". So in order to try to produce an installation error. I deleted the required file lines and removed Balderdash. I aborted the install in mid cycle, I removed weidu.log so it would install over files. I even did the unthinkable I missused horrid's autobiffer. I did everthing short of altering needed code. Everything would uninstall and reinstall without giving me any errors. I even had the game biffed with NEJ files in the overrride. I even started the games made new characters and exited out the north portal to make sure that it was installed.


Then I stated thinking hey what version of weidu does the orignal install have and could that be more of the problem because I was using weidu 190 and 191.

Now after 2 hours on two computers crashing the install by aborting in mid cycle using the orginal weidu which is 185 I can produce error after error. Now here is the thing when I get these errors and the try to reinstall and it will not, each time I update to weidu 191 it will re-install without a problem.

So a suggestion set up your fresh install as directed. Immediately do not pass go but update the weidu installer to 191 then proceed. If and only if you have done this correctly and you get the error "Please install TOB UPdate".
Open the TP2 file and delete the required file checks or do this first anyway. For some reason I think weidu 191 doesn't like the way they are listed is all I can gather about that.

I know since we all have different makes of computers this might not work but I would like to know if at any time someone does try this if it works or not for them?

Because if it is as simple as having used an old version of weidu then when we make a mega install we should make sure every installer has been updated.

Cheers

Golden Thief, for those of us who haven't done it before, what are the steps to update our weidu files to the latest version? Besides waiting for a executable to come out that is written with it that automatically queries all your other files when your run it? TIA

[Golden Thief]

The method that I use is after I had downloaded the weidu191 package is copy the weidu for it to the folder that I am making whatever combination install. I have every mod I am going to install and then whatever mod I am going to install first. Like Setup-NEJ2.exe is going to be the first mod, I delete it and rename weidu.exe to Setup-NEJ2.exe and then it automatically updates each of the installers thus everyone will then be using the latest Weidu.
If you just try running weidu as weidu it doesn't do it that is why I change its name.

Another way is to first run start another mod that you know for sure is has the latest weidu and it then should update all of them, but then instead of installing that mod you just quit and then go to the first one you want to install in you list.
I just like the first way then I know I have the latest.

[Kamui2040]

there is another way but it would be more complicated.
run weidu.exe and use the help function to find out which function is used to update the other files but the above one ist the fastest and simplest one.
i would give you detailed information how it actually works but i'm not on my pc right now and don't have weidu here.

[horred the plague]

there is another way but it would be more complicated.
run weidu.exe and use the help function to find out which function is used to update the other files but the above one ist the fastest and simplest one.
i would give you detailed information how it actually works but i'm not on my pc right now and don't have weidu here.

You can type this from commandline:

weidu --update-all

as well.

[Kamui2040]

this was what i meant above , my english is starting to suck.