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[The Ratt]

I am a HUGE fan of Xzar, and I was just wondering if he was going to be a recruitable character in this mod. I always had him with me until the end of BG1, and I would love to see him again in BG2, especially with this "Mod for the Wicked". He just seems to fit right in.

[Deathsangel]

(I am way to early here for my own liking, but circumstances in RL led to it, still sick though)

I am afraid not The Ratt. I am also a major fan of Xzar and that is probably the reason why I created Kido at first (As you may have read somewhere there is even an ingame link between them. Apart from them both being nutty, funn, spellcasters, irritating for some...). Xzar will get a different role in the Mod for the Wicked. However, the other 5 (! that is really a lot for one man, people. You know this) are designed to fill in al the places you need in an evil group, or neutral, with some choice between them and the Bioware ones. If I would have made Xzar, I would probably not have made Kido and I reckon it is also a bit visa versa. I reckon I wanted though to try something new and I wanted a new mystery 'independent' NPC, like Xzar and Monty were, though you could find out they worked for the Zhentarim. Maybe you should try Kido though, mayhap you seem some of Xzar in him

Edited by Deathsangel, 17 March 2006 - 11:23 PM.

[The Ratt]

I must admit to being a little sad that my crazy necromancer wont be recruitable, but, I think I will try out this Kido character. Since he has some tie in with Xzar, he has caught my attention. Thanks for the info.

[Bill Bisco]

That is unfortunate. For I have recently come to take quite a liking to Xzar and Monty and would like for them to be fully developed characters some day. I know in TDD they are joinable but are really hollow NPCs since they have nothing to say. I am noticing a trend of turning BG1 NPCs into BG2 ones. Perhaps they will do this for Xzar and Montaron one day. I would like to be part of a group that does this. But, if no group exists. Perhaps I should write one myself? I would want to be sure that it was compatible with your mod though.

[Deathsangel]

I must admit to being a little sad that my crazy necromancer wont be recruitable, but, I think I will try out this Kido character. Since he has some tie in with Xzar, he has caught my attention. Thanks for the info.

A lot more visible of course when Montaron will be released... in about 3 years, I reckon

That is unfortunate. For I have recently come to take quite a liking to Xzar and Monty and would like for them to be fully developed characters some day. I know in TDD they are joinable but are really hollow NPCs since they have nothing to say. I am noticing a trend of turning BG1 NPCs into BG2 ones. Perhaps they will do this for Xzar and Montaron one day. I would like to be part of a group that does this. But, if no group exists. Perhaps I should write one myself? I would want to be sure that it was compatible with your mod though.

I am all for compatibility. Though some of Kido-Montaron dialogue will be a tiny bit weird with him recruitable and the in game appearance of Xzar, but... he challenges are there for fun . However, I can ensure you that I am very fond of all the 5 NPC ideas I have for this mod, so I am sure that people will be satisfied

Edited by Deathsangel, 21 March 2006 - 01:37 AM.

[Vasculio]

I must admit to being a little sad that my crazy necromancer wont be recruitable, but, I think I will try out this Kido character. Since he has some tie in with Xzar, he has caught my attention. Thanks for the info.

A lot more visible of course when Montaron will be released... in about 3 years, I reckon

That is unfortunate. For I have recently come to take quite a liking to Xzar and Monty and would like for them to be fully developed characters some day. I know in TDD they are joinable but are really hollow NPCs since they have nothing to say. I am noticing a trend of turning BG1 NPCs into BG2 ones. Perhaps they will do this for Xzar and Montaron one day. I would like to be part of a group that does this. But, if no group exists. Perhaps I should write one myself? I would want to be sure that it was compatible with your mod though.

I am all for compatibility. Though some of Kido-Montaron dialogue will be a tiny bit weird with him recruitable and the in game appearance of Xzar, but... he challenges are there for fun . However, I can ensure you that I am very fond of all the 5 NPC ideas I have for this mod, so I am sure that people will be satisfied

I'm also a Xzar fan! Oh well!

Someday, if i ever learn to mod, i'd like to make a Xzar and Monty mod. But until then...

[Deathsangel]

Guys.... I reckon you are not noticing something... I am a huge fan of Xzar as well. When the polls were here I voted on him being my favorite character. Just watch Kido, okay He has is a lot like Xzar and a bit extra, if you ask me. If I would have named him Xzar and would have made him a necromancer instead of Jester the other things would just slide in (okay, some dialogue change, but what the heck...) and I would have made him...
However, I found one problem. Xzar is supposed to be a madman. However, his Wis is 16 and Int is 17. This is needed for being a necromancer, but it makes me believe he is wearing a mask of insanity behind much more sinister thoughts whereas Kido is a true maniac... I believe that idea is also taken in the BGTuTu Banter pac, though I am not certain... However, for nice streamlining and to get that from Xzar which I liked I first created Kido. I took the wacky part of Xzar and amplified it. Play Kido and I am sure you will find much of Xzar in him. Xzar was one of the great aspirations for Kido and for a reason a made connection between them... I may expand on it...

Edited by Deathsangel, 19 April 2006 - 09:52 AM.

[Vasculio]

Guys.... I reckon you are not noticing something... I am a huge fan of Xzar as well. When the polls were here I voted on him being my favorite character. Just watch Kido, okay He has is a lot like Xzar and a bit extra, if you ask me. If I would have named him Xzar and would have made him a necromancer instead of Jester the other things would just slide in (okay, some dialogue change, but what the heck...) and I would have made him...
However, I found one problem. Xzar is supposed to be a madman. However, his Wis is 16 and Int is 17. This is needed for being a necromancer, but it makes me believe he is wearing a mask of insanity behind much more sinister thoughts whereas Kido is a true maniac... I believe that idea is also taken in the BGTuTu Banter pac, though I am not certain... However, for nice streamlining and to get that from Xzar which I liked I first created Kido. I took the wacky part of Xzar and amplified it. Play Kido and I am sure you will find much of Xzar in him. Xzar was one of the great aspirations for Kido and for a reason a made connection between them... I may expand on it...

Like i said, i'm sure that you're npc character is very well developed, but he could never steal the glory that is Xzar!
I will try out this Kido mod, but that won't stop from wishing or trying to find a way to bring Xzar back.

I am however, apposed to the idea of Xzar being summon character in this mod. But... since this is you're project, i will reframe from pushing the diagreement further.

I guess it like the old saying, "If you want something done, do it yourself".

Question to you though, are you removing the Harper Plot from the game? Because Xzar's mission is about finding Montaron.

And if Montaron starts in the dungeon with main character, then thats a problem.

You may have answered it in the other thread, but i need some clarifying.

Edited by Vasculio, 21 April 2006 - 05:42 PM.

[Deathsangel]

Like i said, i'm sure that you're npc character is very well developed, but he could never steal the glory that is Xzar!
I will try out this Kido mod, but that won't stop from wishing or trying to find a way to bring Xzar back.

Not very well developed?? I am in the top 10 ranking of NPC's! That ain't based really on something now is it Or are you pointing to the "I may expand on it" part? That is... how to say... a teaser.

I am however, apposed to the idea of Xzar being summon character in this mod. But... since this is you're project, i will reframe from pushing the diagreement further.

Summon character? I don't know what you quite mean, but do not worry. He won't die out on you like Safanna or Coran or Ajantis etc.

I guess it like the old saying, "If you want something done, do it yourself".

Question to you though, are you removing the Harper Plot from the game? Because Xzar's mission is about finding Montaron.

And if Montaron starts in the dungeon with main character, then thats a problem.

You may have answered it in the other thread, but i need some clarifying.

Indeed, mentioned in another thread Yes, that particular mission will go. It will only be available to people who started the dungeon without Montaron and Kirinhale in the group. However, the Harper plot won't be completely deleted. Some stuff can still be done, but with a twist Don't worry Xzar won't be deleted from the game. Wouldn't want to that now would I He will return only at a different place with more power and allies

[Deathsangel]

Like i said, i'm sure that you're npc character is very well developed, but he could never steal the glory that is Xzar!
I will try out this Kido mod, but that won't stop from wishing or trying to find a way to bring Xzar back.

I see many people here that want to try so it seems... and I probably join in the effort once I get this done (and trust me that will still take quite a while ). I also want to note that I do not wish to steal the glory of Xzar. Kido is a man in it's own right, as for instance Xzar was not connected to Cyric, like Tiax and Kido are.
I am interessted though in what you guys think of Xzar as why does the way he does. With stats of Int 17 and Wis 16 he is certainly in touch with the world, or so you would expect... Does he 'wear' his insanity as a mask? To mislead people from what he is truly capable of? In BG1 you can not get these insights... the BG NPC Project really made Xzar a wacko (I just looked at his dialogue), but in the conversation to charname he seems more... sound of mind. Kido might be crazy too, but not in the way of Xzar. Kido doesn't jump from one point to the other. He is more direct so to speak. No, the glory that is Xzar is still his and Kido is different. Absolutely. Kido has merely some inspiration of Xzar. Do not worry for such a thing. Xzar is Xzar. Kido is Kido. I just doubt sometimes if Xzar isn't more then meets the eye. If ever created, one must think on this.

I am however, apposed to the idea of Xzar being summon character in this mod. But... since this is you're project, i will reframe from pushing the diagreement further.

Summon character? I don't know what you quite mean, but do not worry. He won't die out on you like Safanna or Coran or Ajantis etc.

I guess it like the old saying, "If you want something done, do it yourself".

Question to you though, are you removing the Harper Plot from the game? Because Xzar's mission is about finding Montaron.

And if Montaron starts in the dungeon with main character, then thats a problem.

You may have answered it in the other thread, but i need some clarifying.

Indeed, mentioned in another thread Yes, that particular mission will go. It will only be available to people who started the dungeon without Montaron and Kirinhale in the group. However, the Harper plot won't be completely deleted. Some stuff can still be done, but with a twist Don't worry Xzar won't be deleted from the game. Wouldn't want to that now would I He will return only at a different place with more power and allies

[2nd edit] And a bigger role of course... Might just make him joinable, if just for a short moment. Got some fun ideas for it and yeah the public pressure . "What is that good for to let him join then only for a few hours?", you ask me? "It is only cruel that is for such a short while!", you say? Well I have very good reasons, which you will see in game. More importantly it does bring benefit for the ones that want to keep him. They can just delete the timer, though I won't be held responsible for the consequences, and if someone wants to make a Xzar mod it is just adding to the few files I will give him, so it can be easily done by anyone. Warning, though! Don't start on it yet untill you see the result of all this, as you may end up making stuff incompatible... and yeah I will help if you start of course

Edited by Deathsangel, 23 April 2006 - 12:29 AM.

[Vasculio]

Like i said, i'm sure that you're npc character is very well developed, but he could never steal the glory that is Xzar!
I will try out this Kido mod, but that won't stop from wishing or trying to find a way to bring Xzar back.

I see many people here that want to try so it seems... and I probably join in the effort once I get this done (and trust me that will still take quite a while ). I also want to note that I do not wish to steal the glory of Xzar. Kido is a man in it's own right, as for instance Xzar was not connected to Cyric, like Tiax and Kido are.
I am interessted though in what you guys think of Xzar as why does the way he does. With stats of Int 17 and Wis 16 he is certainly in touch with the world, or so you would expect... Does he 'wear' his insanity as a mask? To mislead people from what he is truly capable of? In BG1 you can not get these insights... the BG NPC Project really made Xzar a wacko (I just looked at his dialogue), but in the conversation to charname he seems more... sound of mind. Kido might be crazy too, but not in the way of Xzar. Kido doesn't jump from one point to the other. He is more direct so to speak. No, the glory that is Xzar is still his and Kido is different. Absolutely. Kido has merely some inspiration of Xzar. Do not worry for such a thing. Xzar is Xzar. Kido is Kido. I just doubt sometimes if Xzar isn't more then meets the eye. If ever created, one must think on this.

I am however, apposed to the idea of Xzar being summon character in this mod. But... since this is you're project, i will reframe from pushing the diagreement further.

Summon character? I don't know what you quite mean, but do not worry. He won't die out on you like Safanna or Coran or Ajantis etc.

I guess it like the old saying, "If you want something done, do it yourself".

Question to you though, are you removing the Harper Plot from the game? Because Xzar's mission is about finding Montaron.

And if Montaron starts in the dungeon with main character, then thats a problem.

You may have answered it in the other thread, but i need some clarifying.

Indeed, mentioned in another thread Yes, that particular mission will go. It will only be available to people who started the dungeon without Montaron and Kirinhale in the group. However, the Harper plot won't be completely deleted. Some stuff can still be done, but with a twist Don't worry Xzar won't be deleted from the game. Wouldn't want to that now would I He will return only at a different place with more power and allies

[2nd edit] And a bigger role of course... Might just make him joinable, if just for a short moment. Got some fun ideas for it and yeah the public pressure . "What is that good for to let him join then only for a few hours?", you ask me? "It is only cruel that is for such a short while!", you say? Well I have very good reasons, which you will see in game. More importantly it does bring benefit for the ones that want to keep him. They can just delete the timer, though I won't be held responsible for the consequences, and if someone wants to make a Xzar mod it is just adding to the few files I will give him, so it can be easily done by anyone. Warning, though! Don't start on it yet untill you see the result of all this, as you may end up making stuff incompatible... and yeah I will help if you start of course

I'm pleased, this means that the door is open for Xzar to be mod later.

I have request too!

Can we have Xzar return to his original colors and sport his missing portrait?

Edited by Vasculio, 23 April 2006 - 10:47 PM.

[Deathsangel]

Original colours? He has them, but due to the cloak they change. Missing protrait will be done probably.

[Vasculio]

Original colours? He has them, but due to the cloak they change. Missing protrait will be done probably.

I'd like Xzar to have portrait back, but it doesn't have to be in the first release.

Also i would like Xzar to have all his BG1 sound sets resign back to him. Whenever we can hope to mod him again after the mod's release of course.

[Deathsangel]

Original colours? He has them, but due to the cloak they change. Missing protrait will be done probably.

I'd like Xzar to have portrait back, but it doesn't have to be in the first release.

Also i would like Xzar to have all his BG1 sound sets resign back to him. Whenever we can hope to mod him again after the mod's release of course.

Getting that back is easy (at least for me now (ego-trip) ). I even believe some sounds are already in BG2, but I'll see when I get there

[Bill Bisco]

There is one thing to consider in all of this which could potentially make this more annoying. Do you want to consider compatibility with Sim Ding0's Quest Pack and The Darkest Day? Those both alter the Xzar plot somewhat. Ideally, it could be compatible with those too, but I would understand if that would be hard to do.

[Deathsangel]

TDD will probably be incompatible. My Montaron will be fleshed out and as such I assume you would find this better. Besides, though I never tried it, it is said TDD is not a popular mod, due to bad coding, spelling and none fleshed out characters. Quest Pack will be compatible, but only for good people. Why? As said I will delete the Xzar/Montaron quest, if one starts with Montaron in the case. This will make the Quest Pack version invisible so to speak, but if you start up without Kirinhale and Montaron the quest will be there and Xzar won't be... That is the only way to make it compatible. I can not make it so that if you bring Monty and Xzar back together you will once again see them at the Zhentarim, for then I am coding a huge mod, which requires quest pack and that is not going to help. As said I asked SimDing0 to use his codes, so I could work with it, but he kindly denied. He didn't want to keep track of that code in this mod. So, in that way no...

Edited by Deathsangel, 24 April 2006 - 11:44 PM.