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[Borsook]

Wasn't Domi's position in the original thread not similar to Vlad's?

Domi expressed doubts, and how making another compatibility work sounds to her, not an infantile bunch of "bgt-rocks, don't touch it" stuff

If the first, people will just continue playing the old BGT and Tutu - discontinued support or not, remember both are perfectly playable right now anyway.

they are playable, no doubts here, but I wouldn't agree about perfectly, both are still full of small bugs which for some kill the joy of playing a bit

But: will the new merger indeed replace both platforms completely so that ALL (or at least a huge majority of the) players will from now on play the merger.

I still believe that if the merger should represnt a more quality product when compared to previous versions eventually 99% players/modders will switch to it.

[SimDing0]

I think you underestimate the work necessary to make mods compatible with BGT, why are all these great modders sceptical about the project, because they fear a few days of work on a project they have been working on for many years now?

Spot on.

[kharan5876]

I know that it takes an extreme ammount of effort. I'm not expecting it to be done in a few weeks. This project might take a year or more to do but I still think it would produce better results once the whole is done.

What I meant about the mods like TDD and Sos etc.. is that since they are installed first they might barely have to be touched because the compatability can be worked into the merger project itself. They already have code for it from BGT that could probably be copied and modified.

Still I don't know exactly how it all works. I am not a BG modder and am willing to accept being wrong if that is the case. But generally in programming this is how it comes to be.

Edited by kharan5876, 26 January 2006 - 12:58 PM.

[Grunker]

Vlad Horred, Domi, King Diamond, essentially all modders who have ever touched either BGT or TuTu, would have to agree on the merger before it was created, ideally. I too, of course, sympathize with their claims: Modding to get around the same compatability issues for the third time is (correct me if I'm wrong) something like doing your homework thrice over.

Although the question about whether the merger will effectively replace the two existing version is utterly important, in the end, it will come down to what the moderators decide. As a player, I can only hope the community will see a joined effort, but if it doesn't happen, it is understandable.

But: will the new merger indeed replace both platforms completely so that ALL (or at least a huge majority of the) players will from now on play the merger.

I agree with Borsook. Although no one can answer this question for sure, as no can foresee such things, it is still plausible that a new, joined project will outshine the older ones. As no further bugfixes will be made to the older mods, and all the commercialing (can you say that?) done is for the merger, instead of the older versions, people will, in time, move on to the merger. Especially players and modders new to this modding community. The question is, how much time will it take for the merger to effectively replace it?

In a extension to the question you pose Thauron, one could add that it's also so a question of how the merger is presented. If the final product is a heap of crap, noone will download it, but if it's clearly an improvement to both TuTu and BGT, I'm 99% sure that it will, in time, replace both mods. But then again, it will take a joined effort to make sure it doesn't fail.

Edited by Grunker, 26 January 2006 - 01:39 PM.

[Drew]

If you'll consent to having Andyr make the necessary tweaks for the project, then I'd say this bodes well for the fate of the merger. I, for one, am glad to see that, although you won't be involved in the merger (or the mass recoding), there won't be any hard feelings.

Edited by Drew, 30 January 2006 - 05:34 PM.

[Salk]

For example, I would like at last to spend my time playing the games, and finish PST, IWD2 and start+finish Arcanum, KOTOR and NWN.

Domi,

let me advice you against NWN...It's a very disappointing game...

Edited by Salk, 30 January 2006 - 09:24 PM.

[Thauron]

I was just thinking that - the multiplayer might be cool, but the single player storyline... (especially the one from the original NWN) Sometimes I was wondering if I was playing some sort of Diablo, not a RPG.

But we're getting seriously off topic here...

On the merger: if every author (or warden) of important mods, either agrees to take care of the compatibility him/herself or has someone to do that enormous load of work for them (either someone of the 'merger' team or someone else, I guess the project should be alright.) Sorry, if I sounded a bit too pessimistic or critical a few posts back - I wish the merger team the best of luck and 'the wind on their backs' .

Edited by Thauron, 31 January 2006 - 01:20 AM.

[Salk]

Difference is that Diablo's role in the videogame system has always been clear and had no deep CRPGing ambitions whereas Neverwinter Nights had been presented like a revolution in the gendre...It failed miserably...

[NiGHTMARE]

On the merger: if every author (or warden) of important mods, either agrees to take care of the compatibility him/herself or has someone to do that enormous load of work for them (either someone of the 'merger' team or someone else, I guess the project should be alright.) Sorry, if I sounded a bit too pessimistic or critical a few posts back - I wish the merger team the best of luck and 'the wind on their backs' .

What makes you think the amount of required work will be "enormous"? It will be absolutely trivial in comparison to the project's total development time.

Edited by NiGHTMARE, 31 January 2006 - 06:18 AM.

[Grim Squeaker]

For the record, most issues that older large mods like TDD had when making them compatible with BGT were issues because of poorer coding in the mod itself e.g. not prefixing deathvariables (Xzar in TDD has Xzar as his death variable I believe, rather than TDDXzar) and filling up the song list.

[horred the plague]

For the record, most issues that older large mods like TDD had when making them compatible with BGT were issues because of poorer coding in the mod itself e.g. not prefixing deathvariables (Xzar in TDD has Xzar as his death variable I believe, rather than TDDXzar) and filling up the song list.

XZARDD was the TDD DV, as was SHARTEDD, KIVANDD, etc. Only when BP-BGT came around did these change, and that was for continuity's sake. If the "DD" series did not successfully filter into TDD-weidu, then the blame would fall on me for placing the wrong files in the CRE folder. An error that can be corrected, as long as BGTutu (or whatever this merger deal is going to be called) accounts for this in its tp2 as well--"if" it plans on offering any additional BG1-->2 NPC continuity support whatsoever.

[King Diamond]

For the record, most issues that older large mods like TDD had when making them compatible with BGT were issues because of poorer coding in the mod itself e.g. not prefixing deathvariables (Xzar in TDD has Xzar as his death variable I believe, rather than TDDXzar) and filling up the song list.

Sorry to say that, but you are WRONG. As you may notice "older large mods like TDD" have already been repackaged and revised and now they're perfectly compatible with BGT and have NO issues.

I suggest you just to install the latest versions and see it yourself instead of confusing ppl here...

[Grim Squeaker]

For the record, most issues that older large mods like TDD had when making them compatible with BGT were issues because of poorer coding in the mod itself e.g. not prefixing deathvariables (Xzar in TDD has Xzar as his death variable I believe, rather than TDDXzar) and filling up the song list.

Sorry to say that, but you are WRONG. As you may notice "older large mods like TDD" have already been repackaged and revised and now they're perfectly compatible with BGT and have NO issues.

I suggest you just to install the latest versions and see it yourself instead of confusing ppl here...

I was referring to the issues that were mentioned as 'large amounts of work during BGT's production'. This means that all that work will not have to be repeated post-merger.

[pro5]

So, one year later in the future...

how is this project faring?

[Ascension64]

There are a few issues about how to go about it to be sorted out. The problem has been meeting up together to talk about it. Otherwise, not much has happened, I'm afraid.

[Dakk]

Trust bots to necropost deluxe.