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[King Diamond]

Finally, it is also intrinsically clear that modders shouldn't use the False() dialogues.

Can I use that in my signature?

[Ascension64]

Finally, it is also intrinsically clear that modders shouldn't use the False() dialogues.

Can I use that in my signature?

Go for it. I hope that spiel made sense.


And I should add that, it is not the False() states who's numbers should be preserved. It's those False() states that are not right at the end of the dialogue file.

Edited by Ascension64, 21 December 2005 - 01:49 AM.

[King Diamond]

It's not a big deal but it's always very annoying for me personally....

SCRLAUTO.ITM (famous kobolds' autograph) marked as stackable. Where can we get another autographed scroll then?

[King Diamond]

SKELETB & ZOMBIEB.CRE - Bassilus "family"
FOOTY.CRE - a boy nearby

They have SHOUT.BCS Override script. Footy uses the same script that means that as soon as you start to fight Bassilus and his minions they start to shout and that innocent boy will become hostile as well. So, FOOTY must not use that script.
We can't remove SHOUT.BCS from a usage of the undead because there'll be a possibility to kill them one by one not attracting others to fight.
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Another problem arrives if you'd kill Bassilus, report immediately to Beregost and then return back. You will still meet Footy and he'd still tell you that he's spying on Bassilus. So I think it's necessary to give Footy a script that will destroy him upon a completion of Bassilus' quest (instead of SHOUT or anything else)...
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TOWNCR.DLG (BGTOWNCR.CRE)

There's a trigger Dead("Bassilus"). It shall be changed to Global("BassilusDead","GLOBAL",2).
Otherwise the town crier will be "aware" of Bassilus' death even if you've not reported it to the temple.

Edited by King Diamond, 23 December 2005 - 11:43 AM.

[horred the plague]

P.S. What's happened to XP award reduction tweak? I've just scribed 2 scrolls for 2000XP and immediately leveled up. Still inside Candlekeep...

I just set up a new one for BP-weidu. Even harsher than my former XPBONUS.2DA. Getting "rich" from such things takes a lot of the challenge out of the game, especially at the lower levels. I'll probably add it in to the upcoming "optional XP reduction" component.

[Ascension64]

TOWNCR.DLG (BGTOWNCR.CRE)

There's a trigger Dead("Bassilus"). It shall be changed to Global("BassilusDead","GLOBAL",2).
Otherwise the town crier will be "aware" of Bassilus' death even if you've not reported it to the temple.

I think this one is OK, because rumours seem to fly around the sword coast like migrating birds!

The Footy and the scroll stuff is fixed. SCRLJALA.ITM is also now non-stackable.

[King Diamond]

Thalantyr & Melicamp

1) MELICAMP.BCS should be EXTEND_BOTTOM with the following (as it was in previous BETAs):

IF
  See("Thalantyr")  // Thalantyr
  Global("SpawnChicken","GLOBAL",0)
THEN
  RESPONSE #100
	SetGlobal("SpawnChicken","GLOBAL",1)
	Dialog([PC])
END

He won't initiate/continue a dialogue when you bring him to Thalantyr 'because EXTERN ~MELICA~ 17 from THALAN.DLG doesn't work somehow....

2) 3 ActionOverride("MELICA",DestroySelf()) in THALAN.D have to use DV that is "Melicamp".

3) State 17 of MELICA.D.
I'd add !Global("HelpThalantyr","GLOBAL"1) to it. Otherwise it'll start that conversation over and over again if spoken to.

4) THALANTR.BCS
I'd add a small modification to it:

IF
Trigger(1)
THEN
RESPONSE #50
StartCutSceneMode()
Face(1)
SmallWait(1)
ForceSpell("Melicamp",EFFECT_ONLY)
Wait(1)
ActionOverride("Melicamp",Polymorph(MAGE_MALE_HUMAN_LOW))
EndCutSceneMode()
ActionOverride("Melicamp", Dialogue([PC]))
RESPONSE #50
StartCutSceneMode()
Face(1)
SmallWait(1)
ForceSpell("Melicamp",EFFECT_ONLY)
Wait(1)
ActionOverride("Melicamp",Polymorph(MAGE_MALE_HUMAN_LOW))
Kill("Melicamp")
EndCutSceneMode()
END

5) Melicamp still has a chicken soundset after been polymorfed.... Looks and sounds very strange for an adult male

Edited by King Diamond, 24 December 2005 - 06:37 AM.

[King Diamond]

DROTH.CRE - Ogre-mage

Should be NEUTRAL by default.

[Ascension64]

He won't initiate/continue a dialogue when you bring him to Thalantyr 'because EXTERN ~MELICA~ 17 from THALAN.DLG doesn't work somehow....

By any chance, did you change THALAN.DLG so that his dialog was pausing? I set his dialog to non-pausing and it worked without problems.

[kharan5876]

5) Melicamp still has a chicken soundset after been polymorfed.... Looks and sounds very strange for an adult male

I always thought that was intentional. It's kind funny I guess. Don't know what original bg1 does.

[King Diamond]

He won't initiate/continue a dialogue when you bring him to Thalantyr 'because EXTERN ~MELICA~ 17 from THALAN.DLG doesn't work somehow....

By any chance, did you change THALAN.DLG so that his dialog was pausing? I set his dialog to non-pausing and it worked without problems.

No, it's non-pausing.
I had 'Force Dialog Pause=1" in my .ini

But in this case MELICA.DLG should be made non-pausing as well. I have the last Thalantyr's phrase missing otherwise.

[Ascension64]

But in this case MELICA.DLG should be made non-pausing as well. I have the last Thalantyr's phrase missing otherwise.

Which Thalantyr phrase is that one?

[King Diamond]

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN 9 // from: 15.0 13.0 8.0 7.0
  SAY ~Apprentice?!  I have had no apprentices!  I teach no one about what I... wait... Melicamp?  MELICAMP, is that you?!!~ /* #85102 */
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN ~MELICA~ 17
END

I've tested it multiple times. Sometimes it appears for a half of a second and then a dialogue immediately displays Melicamp's response from the state 17. But in the most cases that phrase doesn't appear at all before Melicamp's response.
When I set MELICA.DLG to non-pausing as well all started to work properly.

[Ascension64]

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN 9 // from: 15.0 13.0 8.0 7.0
  SAY ~Apprentice?!  I have had no apprentices!  I teach no one about what I... wait... Melicamp?  MELICAMP, is that you?!!~ /* #85102 */
  IF ~~ THEN EXTERN ~MELICA~ 17
END

I've tested it multiple times. Sometimes it appears for a half of a second and then a dialogue immediately displays Melicamp's response from the state 17. But in the most cases that phrase doesn't appear at all before Melicamp's response.
When I set MELICA.DLG to non-pausing as well all started to work properly.

Well, that is really odd, because this state is only referenced by the file itself (THALAN.DLG). Why would it simply skip over it?

[King Diamond]

Well, that is really odd, because this state is only referenced by the file itself (THALAN.DLG). Why would it simply skip over it?

Some kind of "synchronization" issue between pausing and non-pausing dialogue types... But it has a sense anyway to have dialogues of the same type with references to each other.

[King Diamond]

AR9500.ARE, sirines' problem.

There're 2 bunches of sirines, one of which is lead by Sil (SIL.CRE). She's NEUTRAL as it should be and starts a conversation with the party. But 2 other sirines nearby are SIRINE.CRE and they're initially HOSTILE that is not correct. It's not a problem to mark SIRINE.CRE as NEUTRAL, but there's another problem with that.

Second bunch of sirines has SIRINE_A, _B and... SIRINE.CRE. But as far as there's a minor difference between SIRINE and SIRINE_B that could be a replacement for the 2nd band. So we could finally mark SIRINE.CRE as initially NEUTRAL.

[King Diamond]

GOLEMF.CRE

I don't know why but it uses DEFAULT Ogrillon's soundset entries in battle despite having many non -1 entries set.

I thought before that only if CRE's soundset is entirely set to -1, only in that case engine uses default entries taken from 2DA that corresponds to the creature's animation slot. But I see that I was wrong...

I any way, having so talkative golems seems very strange to me...

AR9501.ARE

All 4 traps don't have any script set, so they're useless now. Shouldn't the pirates' treasure be protected a little bit more?

[Ascension64]

GOLEMF.CRE

You mean they are saying things like 'You mess with me, you mess with you!', 'Time for some carnage!', 'Die, pip-squeaks!' ?

[King Diamond]

GOLEMF.CRE

You mean they are saying things like 'You mess with me, you mess with you!', 'Time for some carnage!', 'Die, pip-squeaks!' ?

Yes

[King Diamond]

Something must be done with an evil path for Charleston Nib's excavation quest.
-8 points of penalty to the reputation (in total: -6 for killing Nib and -2 will "give" you Gallor) is toooo much IMO...

CHARLE.CRE - Class should be changed to NO_CLASS(255) instead of INNOCENT(155).

Edited by King Diamond, 27 December 2005 - 11:16 AM.