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[dorotea]

Erhm... usually -1000 means you have made one major mistake, There are few cases when you can get -1000 to your redemption score - usually if you are extremely rude or are trying to force issues ( like trying to make Jon reconcile with Ellesime forcefully instead of tricking him). Also solving the Deva quest in any other way but the right one will make Jon-boy turn to the dark side once again... And the last problematic spot is solving or failing to resolve the Malla quest - thats the girl without a soul. Hmm, that's about it I think. Jaheira will only stick with you if your Jon is on his way to redemption, otherwise she forces you to make a choice or sometimes attacks you.

[dorotea]

Ah, there is also a quick fall of reputation below 6 I think that will do it, or making snazzy remark or two, especially around the Demogorgon. Also, if Jon asks for a soul you need to let him decide for himself, but you are not in post-Amkethran yet? Sheesh, I made it really hard to redeem him - but not impossible. If you can look into your savegame GLOBAL/s and tell me what is your JonTalkCheck variable I will be able to tell you in which conversation you likely made a mistake. But there are at least 2 banters, I think , with Immy in which PC has something to say as well, and which can set JonRedemptionCounter to -1000. I am not sure though - it was almost 1.5 ago when we coded this!

Edited by dorotea, 17 October 2005 - 09:34 PM.

[dorotea]

Did you get as far as : I could not rest properly last night, and consequently my spells were not memorized ?

It is the talk 6, if you have count 12 it means you at least got to this one.

[Sir Buliwyf]

I'm in the middle of doing the "Malla" quest. i'm on my way to go and return it to her right now and Jaheira throws a strop and wants to make me choose between them. Either option is not an option. I don't think i have made any mistakes with Jon, though he has not always reacted to what i say with delight but then this is Jon and he never does anyway.

This has pretty much broken my game, i don't want to go back and start all over again doing WK, sarasush and Yagashura etc.. my most recent save is just before malla quest and my jontalkcheck is 14 and my jonredemptioncounter counter is also 14

My Group is
Me - Cavalier
Saerileth - Cavalier
Sarevok - (already a good guy)
Imoen
Jaheira
Irenicus

I'm really trying to RP my Paladin rather than powergame.

is there a way i can fix this?

[Sir Buliwyf]

I managed to reload and continue and jaheira didn't say anything, i finished malla and now my redemption counter is at 15. here is a list of all relevant jon globals

JONABAIA1 - 1
JONABAIA3B - 1
JONAFTERSARTIMER - 3917966
JONDREAM1 - 607193
JONDREAM2 - 733246
JONEVILTALKCHECK - 1
JONEVILTALKTIME - 4003077
JONJAEEVILTALK - 8200862
JONJAHEIRA - 2436315
JONNOLONGERBURNS - 1
JONREDEMPTIONCOUNTER - 15
JONTALKCHECK - 14
JONTALKTIME - 3954120
JONUNDECIDED - 3
JONWRATH2 - 1
JONWRATH3 - 1
JONWRATH4 - 1
JONWRATH5 - 1
JONWRATH6 - 1

now.. i do have a tendancy now and then if Real life calls, to have to leave my machine for an undetermined amount of time, i do usually pause but i am aware usually when i come back that a dialogue does start right away with some character or something, meaning that even on pause there's real time timers going.. is my JONJAHEIRA - 2436315 just simply too big. i've not moved fast enough for Jaheira? would simply cropping that number help me? i don't really want to go meddling with variables that i am not sure are for.. I understand Dorotea doesn't really support this mod but if you or anyone else can give any advice i'd really appreciate it.. jaheira strop is happening every time i enter sendai's enclave now..

it's also worth pointing out that at the start, i promised him another soul with the intention of changing his mind, as far as i remember, there was no other "better" option that would let me take him with me. if my problems stem from here i might as well give up. i took him and sarevok because i wanted to play a game where i could redeem evil rather than murder it. i played with 4 people all through soa in anticipation of getting these two in tob..

Edited by Sir Buliwyf, 28 October 2007 - 05:11 PM.

[Sir Buliwyf]

why oh why did i discover this mod so long after everyone else is finished with it. anyone look here any more?

anyway, i go all the way back to the start of ToB again.. <Sigh> if it doesn't work this time i'll just give up and try other mods. I really still don't see where i went wrong.. my paladin is a good guy trying in ernest to help the guy.. i guess i'll have to check my globals after every jonny talk to see where i am at..

[billymas2005]

Did you get as far as : I could not rest properly last night, and consequently my spells were not memorized ?

It is the talk 6, if you have count 12 it means you at least got to this one.

Yea,i m now at this stage.
Before resting my redemption counter is 32.
But after this talk it drops to -968 already......
what exactly should i say to him abt the dream encounter?

[Stardusk]

Did you get as far as : I could not rest properly last night, and consequently my spells were not memorized ?

It is the talk 6, if you have count 12 it means you at least got to this one.

Yea,i m now at this stage.
Before resting my redemption counter is 32.
But after this talk it drops to -968 already......
what exactly should i say to him abt the dream encounter?

I tried CLUA to change his redemption score but it didn't work even though it was at 1000. He still took the soul and tried to destroy the Tree; AND all my good companions attacked me as well, even though I was good. This mod is rpg wise really hard. Also with me there was no Mala quest...just the Lich, who attacked me and that was it. It's soooooo hard....