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[Jyzabyl]

For one of the Blur People, you seem awfully familiar.  Where do I know you from?

FYI Ghrey. Do the words "It's all about voluntary banishment." sound familiar?

[Ghreyfain]

For one of the Blur People, you seem awfully familiar.  Where do I know you from?

FYI Ghrey. Do the words "It's all about voluntary banishment." sound familiar?

I think I said 'em somewhere, but I forget the context. My suspicion is that you're a voluntary exile from PPG, because we sux0r?

As for the likes of persons like the Country Singer who love posting Unregistered and have access to this forums, is it possible for most forums, other than public ones, to disallow posting by those scum?

There are more guest-posters who just want advice on mods than there are trolls. What you suggest is a throwback to the good ol' days of TeamBG. I can't actually recall if Studios has ever restricted guest-posting, but if they did it was a mistake that I'm glad was changed.

[Jyzabyl]

@ Ghrey
I don't speak l33t. I wasn't aware I'd been exiled.

[Melkor]

I also might not be quite so suspicious of your posts' content if you weren't a member of staff at the IE forum whose staff have deleted and edited more posts, locked more threads, etc than any other IE community, past or present.

Maybe you yourself don't act in the same way as most of your fellows.  If that's the case, and if you really feel so strongly about the subject of moderators abusing their power, perhaps your time would be better spent calling for reform at your own forum rather than elsewhere.

Usually I stay out of modding/forum politics. Been there done that back in the great days of TeamBG. But since you seem to have an issue on how my forum operates, I suppose I'll have to say something on it. I would have to say you are quite the exaggerator. We're not in the habit of editing someone's post as Gabrielle has pointed out. Deleted posts hmm no on that. If there are any flame posts they are kept out in the open for a period of time, than they are put away as proof. And like any other forum out there, old posts, threads and topics are removed for space/storage reasons.

Posts are usually locked because they went off topic, spam, flammatory, old irrelevent posts, etc.

As I can see from the majority of the postings in this thread, some reform has to happen here.

Now if you supposedly had a problem on how my board operates, I haven't seen you there complaing or offering suggestions on improvement.

Let my quote your esteem leader in case you do not agree with my forums policy.

...keep in mind that nothing forces you to post here - or anywhere else.

Edited by Melkor, 29 September 2005 - 04:37 AM.

[Seifer]

Reform? Crikey lads, this is a hobby not a political arena.

Failing that, I'm voting for the liberals.

[SConrad]

Deleted posts hmm no on that.

I've had my posts deleted on CoM (on multiple occasions).

As I can see from the majority of the postings in this thread, some reform has to happen here.

Last time I checked, this wasn't the board with trolls running amok.

Now if you supposedly had a problem on how my board operates, I haven't seen you there complaing or offering suggestions on improvement.

I did both - and was banned.

[NiGHTMARE]

Now if you supposedly had a problem on how my board operates, I haven't seen you there complaing or offering suggestions on improvement

It's your forum, so I'm quite happy to let you run it as you see fit. I don't agree with members of staff coming along to another forum and posting criticism of the policies and behaviour of that forum's staff, especially not when exactly the same criticism could be made of the other members of staff at his or her own forum (and especially not when the criticism applies *more* to his/her own forum).

Oh, and if you really hate the thought of your own staff's behaviour being brought into question as much as you seem to, it doesn't seem the best idea in the world to question the behaviour of another site's staff.

Let my quote your esteem leader in case you do not agree with my forums policy.

...keep in mind that nothing forces you to post here - or anywhere else.

I suggest you take a look at the frequency of my posts at CoM, and when the last one was made. If you do, you'll see I pretty much swear by that already.

Edited by NiGHTMARE, 29 September 2005 - 05:59 AM.

[Sir Kalthorine]

As much as I dislike having to do this, I feel it necessary to point out to all recent posters, whoever they may be or whichever their "home" forum is (inluding SHS), that there can be no excuse for anyone bringing our hobby into disrepute by holding public and petty arguments about the pros and cons of "rival" board/forum policies.

I humbly request that everyone please take a step back from this for a moment in order to hopefully see how pointless and ultimately self-defeating all this one-upmanship is. People who have strong opinions about which their "favourite" forum is are never going to change their minds, so deeply rooted are the various prejudices that seem to exist, and any neutral reader is simply going to have their opinions of all IE modding forums tainted as a result of witnessing the bickering going on here.

No board guidelines have been breached in all of this, so I have probably overstepped my bounds as a Moderator here by posting the above, even if it is just a personal opinion. I just thought a reality check was in order, and I apologise to anyone I may have upset or offended by stating my opinion in this way.

[EDIT]: Spelling correction

Edited by Sir Kalthorine, 29 September 2005 - 07:01 AM.

[Seifer]

As much as I dislike having to do this, I feel it necesary to point out to all recent posters, whoever they may be or whichever their "home" forum is (inluding SHS), that there can be no excuse for anyone bringing our hobby into disrepute by holding public and petty arguments about the pros and cons of "rival" board/forum policies. 

I humbly request that everyone please take a step back from this for a moment in order to hopefully see how pointless and ultimately self-defeating all this one-upmanship is.  People who have strong opinions about which their "favourite" forum is are never going to change their minds, so deeply rooted are the various prejudices that seem to exist, and any neutral reader is simply going to have their opinions of all IE modding forums tainted as a result of witnessing the bickering going on here.

No board guidelines have been breached in all of this, so I have probably overstepped my bounds as a Moderator here by posting the above, even if it is just a personal opinion.  I just thought a reality check was in order, and I apologise to anyone I may have upset or offended by stating my opinion in this way.

You've not outstepped your mark at all but I think this represents a good point to bow out of the "discussion."

[SConrad]

I did both - and was banned.

That statement doesn't hold much weight, since your username isn't on the ban list. Unless you're talking about "shep"....

It was a quite some time ago, before SHS was founded or I was administrator of FW. I don't know if I'm still banned.

[Plasmocat]

Sir Kalthorine: Board policy or not, I wholeheartedly endorse your recommendation.

In my opinion, there should be no place for board rivalry in a hobby that could and sometimes does benefit from each other via collaborations and shared interests. There's no reason why we can't encourage each other to cultivate the niches that are created when a community of ppl with like interests forms a board community.

To continue my opinion, dissing someone's board while you're (generally speaking) on their board is trolling--posting messages designed to create negative attention. Dissing someone else's board on your own turf may be wholly within your right, but to all but the most fervent single-minded supporters your comments make you sound bitter and makes those who find value in both communities feel uncomfortable and unwilling to share their own contributions on one or the other for fear of being labeled in some way. (Generally speaking, observing from my own experience at other same-subject communities where many boards may have members that are active and involved in several at once.) From the point of view of these members, it's like watching a family feud at Christmas and wishing you could just get back to opening presents.

No one person and no one community can single-handedly eliminate this kind of stuf. But neither do we have to allow our enjoyment of our hobby be eroded through anger and prejudice.

My hope is that the SHS community will continue to strive toward what I percieved to be its goal of becoming an inclusive and relaxed community designed to encourage creativity and to help where it could lend a hand.

In that kind of atmosphere, this kind of shit-slinging has no place.

Again, this is all my own opinion. I'm not even the mod of this forum much less an admin, so you can take it for what it's worth in that sense.

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*Eta. Of course there are going to be personality clashes. That's human. But I don't see any point for those individual failures to get along to infect the whole communities with their bile.

Edited by Plasmocat, 29 September 2005 - 06:46 AM.

[SConrad]

You've not outstepped your mark at all but I think this represents a good point to bow out of the "discussion."

Fully agreed.

Sir Kalthorine:  Board policy or not, I wholeheartedly endorse your recommendation. 

In my opinion, there should be no place for board rivalry in a hobby that could and sometimes does benefit from each other via collaborations and shared interests.  There's no reason why we can't encourage each other to cultivate the niches that are created when a community of ppl with like interests forms a board community.

To continue my opinion, dissing someone's board while you're (generally speaking) on their board is trolling--posting messages designed to create negative attention.  Dissing someone else's board on your own turf may be wholly within your right, but to all but the most fervent single-minded supporters your comments make you sound bitter and makes those who find value in both communities feel uncomfortable and unwilling to share their own contributions on one or the other for fear of being labeled in some way.  (Generally speaking, observing from my own experience at other same-subject communities where many boards may have members that are active and involved in several at once.)  From the point of view of these members, it's like watching a family feud at Christmas and wishing you could just get back to opening presents.

No one person and no one community can single-handedly eliminate this kind of stuf.  But neither do we have to allow our enjoyment of our hobby be eroded through anger and prejudice. 

My hope is that the SHS community will continue to strive toward what I percieved to be its goal of becoming an inclusive and relaxed community designed to encourage creativity and to help where it could lend a hand.

In that kind of atmosphere, this kind of shit-slinging has no place.

Again, this is all my own opinion.  I'm not even the mod of this forum much less an admin, so you can take it for what it's worth in that sense.

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*Eta.  Of course there are going to be personality clashes.  That's human.  But I don't see any point for those individual failures to get along to infect the whole communities with their bile.

Well said, Plasmocat.

[Zyraen]

Ghrey, what I actually meant was to disallow Guest postings on Private Forums like this one where, unless it has been changed, for one to have access to it, one must be a "Modder." Possibly other specific forums like those run by hosted Mods, if such is desired.

Although maybe times have changed since the shift to SHS and this is now a public forum.

Anyway, it's just a suggestion.

[Archmage Silver]

Reform?  Crikey lads, this is a hobby not a political arena.

Failing that, I'm voting for the liberals.

Yea, I'm voting for the red wizards and anarchy. Seriously guys. A hobby.