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[Pixel Kaiser]

Will Monty and Kirin be available for recruitment, even if you aren't of evil/neutral alignment? Seems like a waste of time to not allow good characters to recruit them.

[Deathsangel]

Well, since this whole mod is warped towards being able to play neutral and evil I am not thinking on it. They are actually going to use the cages of Minsc and Jaheira. At least, that is the idea. It will be installed in such a way they will be available for evil people, but one extra script and optional component could make them available for all... It is just not Montaron or Kirinhale to follow goody goods.

[Pixel Kaiser]

A good aligned Charname may have Edwin or Viconia on his team for quite some time-if not all the time. Why not Montaron or Kirinhale? Shouldn't it be about reputation and not alignment?

Personally, I think if you're evil then they should replace Minsc and Jaheira in the cages. If you're neutral or good, then they should be chillin' in Athkatla or something.

Also, while I'm at it, what about Xzar?

[Deathsangel]

To the Xzar question: see Kido and isn't five enough?

As to the previous question: Kirinhale at least is an ex-demon... she really doesn't like goody-goods, perhaps Montaron. I'll think on it

[Pixel Kaiser]

Yeah, five is more than enough. I probably wasn't clear enough with my question. I was just curious about what you plan on doing with Xzar. He already makes an appearance in-game, and Montaron...well, his corpse makes an appearance. Will you still have that part of the game, but change it? If so, will Xzar still meet the same end? Or will you just remove Xzar and Montaron from that quest, and replace them with run of the mill Zhents?

[Deathsangel]

His corpse doesn't. Only a bird, unless you have a mod made by SimDing0 you can find a corpse. However, about the quest... not run of the mill Zhents, but that is all I am saying The Zhentarim will be re-introduced by this mod as you may now though.

[Kania]

To the Xzar question: see Kido and isn't five enough?

From the other position - if the player has Alora-MOD installed and change her Alignment to keep her in an evil party (really! this girl is great!), he can't have Edwin - this two get a nasty bug. Than another evil mage, lovely Xzar especially, could be great. And who can say that this Kido or any other bard is better than our wonderful Haer'Dalis? And Dalis is neutral so he can be in any party. (Not forgetting about Eldoth and Garrick)
Heh, by the way, I hope, Kido is not that bard from the Dungeon-be-gone? Sis told me, there was some bard, who by some his feebleminded reason insulted Haer'Dalis even before the PC could meet the tiefling... And quickly found out for himself, what is REAL pain.

Edited by Kania, 17 September 2005 - 03:46 AM.

[Deathsangel]

tisk tisk, Kania. Kido = own released bard with CE alignment. Kirinhale will be a sorcerer for the real mage power. The Bard you are talking about is Jasper St. Bard and I don't know the Alora-MOD unless it comes with all those random encounters. Besides if there is a bug in that mod you might want to ask them, but I can not (due to all the headache it will give) hold every mod into consideration.

[AnnabelleRose]

The BG version of Alora was done by Blood Raven and can be found at the Chosen of Mystra forums. She is the good halfling thief you meet in Baldur's Gate, from the first game.

Why not put either Montaron or Kirinhale in the cage across from <Charname> when you wake up. I don't think anyone has used it in a mod thus far. Should not be too hard to find a place to stash the other one.

Doing this would make your mod more compatable with other mods, in my opinion. Granted, it might be more work, but it *could* work.

If the cage cannot be opened, why not put Kirinhale in it. Give her some item and let her dimension door or something out of it....

[Deathsangel]

The BG version of Alora was done by Blood Raven and can be found at the Chosen of Mystra forums. She is the good halfling thief you meet in Baldur's Gate, from the first game.

Why not put either Montaron or Kirinhale in the cage across from <Charname> when you wake up. I don't think anyone has used it in a mod thus far. Should not be too hard to find a place to stash the other one.

Doing this would make your mod more compatable with other mods, in my opinion. Granted, it might be more work, but it *could* work.

If the cage cannot be opened, why not put Kirinhale in it. Give her some item and let her dimension door or something out of it....

I know that mod, which comes with those battles, but I didn't you could make her evil in that mod... though my point still stands. I also don't want to put them in other cages for I don't want to have four characters in the cages. For the game thinks you had Dynaheir, Minsc, Jaheira, Khalid and Imoen. You can't have then Kirinhale and Montaron your team, thus I need to remove Jaheira and Minsc and make different stories not talking about Khalid and Dynaheir, but other people... which does nothing for my mods compatiblity for the files of Jaheira and Minsc will stay and if your of another alignment then I program they will appear instead of Montaron and Kirinhale. So, no problem and more logical when thinking about a party of six.

[Deathsangel]

I only have NWN basic so to speak, but I don't reckon Minsc to be in the dungeon as you didn't took him along. I ain't saying you ain't going to see them at all...

[Torn]

The basic idea with having Montaron and Kirinhale was to vary up who you start the game off with.  Jaheira and Minsc are supposed to reflect the people you would've been adventuring with in BG1, but of course, I doubt an evil party would have had them in it.  Therefore, Monty and Kirinhale.

We could always make the option to install them seperate from the rest of the MftW.  Either that, or we could have different options - say, one for 'start with Monty and Kirinhale' and another for 'start with NPCs with appropriate alignments'.

[Deathsangel]

The basic idea with having Montaron and Kirinhale was to vary up who you start the game off with.  Jaheira and Minsc are supposed to reflect the people you would've been adventuring with in BG1, but of course, I doubt an evil party would have had them in it.  Therefore, Monty and Kirinhale.

We could always make the option to install them seperate from the rest of the MftW.  Either that, or we could have different options - say, one for 'start with Monty and Kirinhale' and another for 'start with NPCs with appropriate alignments'.

Torn is right about the idea I had behind this. At the moment I indeed am thinking of installing it so that evil alignment start with Monty and Kirinhale and as another optional component you can also start with Kirinhale and Montaron as CN or perhaps even TN. I can not make it so you can choose your beginning. It either is with are two new NPC's or not... I am just not good enough for that and I wonder if it is possible at all.

[Deathsangel]

yea I understand itd be kinda hard to code. and it does make sense that an evil party wouldnt drag Minsc and Jaheira around. the optional component sounds okay but is it possible to have Minsc and Jaheira spawn as default but if your PCs alignment is evil Monty and Kirin will spawn? if not Id just leave out the optional component. when you install MftW Id assume youd want a REALLY REALLY evil game. I totally think we need more evil ones. I just thought of something though. the original game with only MftW mod npcs has 3 warriors, 2 wizards, 1 bard, 1 thief and 1 cleric. the only thing I could think about is another evil cleric but I spose I could just make my PC a cleric. I like Monty though! Im sick of Yoshimo and Jan!

I believe there is a miscommunication here for what you are saying is exactly what I will do. If you are evil Monty and Kirinhale will spawn instead of Jaheira and Minsc. In all other cases Jaheira and Minsc will be there. Though I might make an component where if you are CN Kirinhale and Monty will also appear instead of Jaheira and Minsc and indeed I ain't going to represent all classes. Besides, it is my attention to have Ian have some divine magic stuff...

[Torn]

And you can always not install that component if you want Minsc and Jaheira.  Ideally, the MftW will fit seamlessly with a normal install of the game, so you don't have to choose whether you're gonna have an evil PC before you install it.