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[NiGHTMARE]

Medieval-ESQUE fantasy. Almost every aspect of the gameworld, be it architecture, society, technology, religion, etc differs from what would be expected from a "proper" medieval setting. There are many renaissance-era elements present, not to mention countless things that are purely fantastical... not least the fact the game isn't set on planet Earth.

It's *extremely* doubtful that a human culture on a different planet would develop exactly the same technologies at exactly the same rate as we did, especially if that other culture regularly interacts with and is heavily influenced by other species, magic, highly active gods, etc. Likely they would discover some things (e.g. a certain method of weapons smithing) long before we did, and other things not until some time afterwards, if at all.

If you want examples of differences, the types of plate mail present in the game seem to be based on post-medieval styles, and many types of weapon weren't present in medieval Europe (or were extremely rare).

Edited by NiGHTMARE, 03 September 2005 - 09:07 AM.

[Arturcic]

In response to KD, I don't think that's the intention of BGT. I think it's to make it possible to play the original BG1 with the BG2's engine/enhancements and to build a uniform experience from Candlekeep to Melisan. IMHO, BGT shouldn't change the original BG1's plot, just enhance its gameplay.

[Ascension64]

In response to KD, I don't think that's the intention of BGT. I think it's to make it possible to play the original BG1 with the BG2's engine/enhancements and to build a uniform experience from Candlekeep to Melisan. IMHO, BGT shouldn't change the original BG1's plot, just enhance its gameplay.

Well, looks like there is big divide between optional/compulsory armour/shield shattering. Keep discussing, I am undecided on what to do yet, because I am waiting for weigo to provide the rest of the journal headers auf Deutsch before I can test the release.

[NiGHTMARE]

I say include it, but provide some alternative items .

[NiGHTMARE]

If you want the original BG 1 unaltered, the solution should be obvious: play the original BG 1.

[Sir BillyBob]

Don't be such an ass. Nightmare pointed out that if you really want the original, go play it. There are going to be some changes to the original if you play this mod (or even Tutu). If the changes bother you, don't install this mod. Simple as that.

[Promilus]

Nihil...u pointed Ascension only that new BGT should be closer to the original BG1...
This whole game is on BG2ToB engine...there are numeric features that are NOT in BG2...even while playing BG1 part of BGT.
I.e. Kits...good archer can solo smash almost any enemy...show me that possibility in pure BG1?
I play BGT only for this:
DSotSC+NTotSC items/spells which WILL BE transfered to BG2 part (spells in book...innate abilities normally...items with Souvenir mod...or Keep-the-items)...
Nor BG1 nor BG1Tutu gives me such thing...imported characters from such games won't work in "standard" BG2 environment...
My point-item shattering is part of virtually applying BG1 original shattering...it has been enhanced, so it is really more realistic (or will be with Ascension propability around 1%)...TutuTweaks from G3 also gives such option to Tutu...and I had some on my installation.

U still can point ur oppinion...but ur earlier argument was really *sick*!
It is not BG1 and not will be...U don't like it-don't play it...
Strong argument IMO is something like that: "I usually play with full party fighters...Armor shattering would be so annoying! plz don't do this in next version "

[King Diamond]

Well, looks like there is big divide between optional/compulsory armour/shield shattering.  Keep discussing, I am undecided on what to do yet, because I am waiting for weigo to provide the rest of the journal headers auf Deutsch before I can test the release.

C'mon, m8! This is not a place where democracy should take effect....
It should be ruled with an iron modder's hand...

[Ascension64]

Well, looks like there is big divide between optional/compulsory armour/shield shattering.  Keep discussing, I am undecided on what to do yet, because I am waiting for weigo to provide the rest of the journal headers auf Deutsch before I can test the release.

C'mon, m8! This is not a place where democracy should take effect....
It should be ruled with an iron modder's hand...

In corporate business you take a gamble in what the customers may like. Of course, if you are a politician, you know full well that it is impossible to get every single person to agree with anything. So you have to make the best decision that is the most 'profitable' towards your case, or your business, in that perspective. It's a little bit different here. If I choose something that a lot of people will not like, then you lose the number of people playing it (or they complain for it to be changed! ), which ultimately means the time you spent making it for the public was not as rewarding as it would have been. Therefore, it's a fine line to find a compromise for the ideas that people have. That is the reason why I am so open to discuss a whole bunch of things, and will consider every option seriously.

As for my stance on the item shattering for now, I am going to decide when I send weigo a test copy for the German translation and get some feedback on its stability. Constructive debate about this topic is still quite welcome, for me, that is, although I would be careful about the particulars of what I say. Not to pick on anyone, but Nihil's spiel was starting to get a little bit niggly. Just a polite warning...

[f9th-underdog]

Is there any way to make it shatterable on certain weapons? I really can't see and arrow permanantly damaging plate mail, it just make a single small hole, whereas a mace or large sword could do some damage to the mail, so piercing don't damage but crushing or slashing would.
is there a way to degrade the armour ( probably not)? A hit from a sword could break a plate or delink a few chains but shoudn't render it completly useless.

[Sir BillyBob]

The game really doesn't have a degrading system built in. I am not sure if such a thing could be made. For one thing, it would require you to track every single piece of armor, not just a group like CHAIN01, but each piece within that item. Otherwise, if I switch out splint mail for another splint mail, the scripts wouldn't know the difference and would think that new mail is also degraded.

[Promilus]

Basicly...each and every armor/weapon should then have unique ID...It is quite impossible to make!
General problem was listed and resolved...
Problem: too high chance to broke an item
Solution: decrease the chance to broke an item...with propabilities from original BG1...
I have nothing more to say except one: v99b4 with the chances Ascension "researches"...will be the GREAT one...

[Ascension64]

It is not BG1 and not will be...U don't like it-don't play it...
Strong argument IMO is something like that: "I usually play with full party fighters...Armor shattering would be so annoying! plz don't do this in next version "

Would you stop saying that already! I like it, BGT rules! weapon shattering its just a detail, it didnt ruin my experience even at 5%. I dont know what spiel or niggly means, but, again, im sorry about the childish post, i had a killer hangover, and end it up making a bad joke, i guess you northren dudes are too cold to appreciate that kind of humor(warning: This is another bad joke) .
And, i dont think i make a weak argument, i just thought it would make things easier, and fair, to leave like the original(and not because i NEED the original experience, but because it is a neutral groud) and use a tweak like the g3 for tutu, i really dont think it is that much of a big deal intalling a tweak(and yes, i would isntall it). But if you prefer it your way: I like playing with a solo fighter\thief, i like the idea of shattering, but thought it was way too high and am glad it was toned down.
1 question, do armor still breaks in SoA? and a little solution for the high shattering, export the armor from the illusionist place in candlekeep.

I still take your argument seriously, Nihil, so no worries about that.

Items will not shatter in SoA. And I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'export the armor from the illusionist place in Candlekeep.

Is there any way to make it shatterable on certain weapons? I really can't see and arrow permanantly damaging plate mail, it just make a single small hole, whereas a mace or large sword could do some damage to the mail, so piercing don't damage but crushing or slashing would.
is there a way to degrade the armour ( probably not)? A hit from a sword could break a plate or delink a few chains but shoudn't render it completly useless

Yes, there is a way to check for the type of damage the player receives before the armor/shield shatters. How specific should it be? Yup, and degrading the armour would be difficult to put in.