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[Seifer]

I can always rely on some to make a mountain out of molehill eh?

I don't need to read 5 pages of topical discussion from other a month ago to respond to what I perceive as a snotty comment.

Amusing as the reaction is, I'd not go so far as to suscribe any sort of emotion on my part to it.

You've said your bit, I've said mine, lets leave it at that eh?

[SimDing0]

*sigh*  Oh dear, the trolls are at it again.

You see, this is an interesting phenomenon I've observed around Studios especially. Assuming we're not dealing with Seifer forgotten his password here, we appear to have a classic example of a guest or minor poster who, having observed various incidents on the board, has decided that around here it's "cool" to liberally label people "troll" or accuse them of "flaming". It is, of course, possible that some of the accusors genuinely think there is some trolling going on. However, historically, the term was used much less commonly until the Studios administration started indulging, at which point it suddenly became far more popular. It really is quite a fascinating social feature.

Speaking of knee-jerk reactions, I wonder why someone should be so defensive when said person was not currently involved. Oh well, as they say "if the shoe fits."

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel. I'd just stick to "I didn't understand it properly" as an excuse.

I guess I'd also better contribute some smilies, since you make it evident that no post is complete without them. Today's selection is:

I can always rely on some to make a mountain out of molehill eh?

Yes, you can indeed always rely on somebody to "make a mountain out a of molehill" by "interpreting an entirely unoffensive joke as a childish jab by failing to read the context in the post right above it". Let's leave it at that!

Edited by SimDing0, 29 August 2005 - 03:23 AM.

[Seifer]

Well said for the most part Sim.

[SConrad]

This may be a bit late but I'm definitely staying with you guys. You moved, I received the email, and I'm still mostly observing. I don't post much because I have so much yet to read and learn from such Forgotten Realms masters. That is how I feel about you guys. And I think this is better than any other half-baked wannabe cheap immitation spilling similar information onto the web.

Carry on!

Thank you for those words!

[SimDing0]

While they might be neccessary to get the full joke, I don't think you even need to pick up on the spam e-mail connotation to figure out that it's not insulting.

Also, I'd just like to say that the Studios wiki is far better than half-baked wannabes like that Wikipedia place!

[SConrad]

Also, I'd just like to say that the Studios wiki is far better than half-baked wannabes like that Wikipedia place!

Do you really have to make comments like this, with no other purpose than to provoke or stir up even more of the argumenting we've been thankfully (more or less) spared from lately?

[SimDing0]

I wonder why the other guy's denunciation of "half-baked wannabes" was more purposeful or less provocative. Although once again bonus points for deciding to interpret a harmless joke in the most negative way possible.

Edited by SimDing0, 30 August 2005 - 12:33 PM.

[SConrad]

I wonder why the other guy's denunciation of "half-baked wannabes" was more purposeful or less provocative. Although once again bonus points for deciding to interpret a harmless joke in the most negative way possible.

Like the purpose of your post was to sincerely express your affection and sing praises the SHS wiki?

I have never done anything but encouraged constructive feedback and criticism, but I can do without sarcastic and inciting comments.

[SimDing0]

Like the purpose of your post was to sincerely express your affection and sing praises the SHS wiki?

Maybe, maybe not. But it was about as sensible as the other post. Yes, of course, "half-baked imitations" is 100% constructive and 0% inciteful!

Edited by SimDing0, 30 August 2005 - 01:04 PM.

[SConrad]

Maybe, maybe not. But it was about as sensible as the other post. Yes, of course, "half-baked imitations" is 100% constructive and 0% inciteful!

Consis was complimenting SHS and the work we do. Does that need to be constructive? I don't think so, but would rather say that encouragement and appreciation is what makes it all worth it.

Your post wasn't anything like that, but since I've already said what I thought about it; let's leave it at that, shall we?

[SimDing0]

Consis didn't seem to be complimenting and encouraging all those half-baked imitations out there though. Somebody has to stand up for them. Or are other similar sites fair game for provocative comments, while only ShS itself requires strictly constructive or positive feedback? But then, I'm sure I've seen people told off for similar remarks before-- I myself have extensive first-hand experience. Perhaps there is a list of people or sites which fall under Studios protection. Can you provide me with a pricing plan?

[SConrad]

Consis didn't seem to be complimenting and encouraging all those half-baked imitations out there though. Somebody has to stand up for them.

Then why don't you do that, instead of commenting in the self-said manner against us?

Or are other similar sites fair game for provocative comments, while only ShS itself requires strictly constructive or positive feedback?

I don't really think other sites are fair game for someone to provoke, but I never viewed Consis' post as anything like that in the first place. And even if he was criticising other sites in the process, is it my duty to stand up for them against someone who's trying to compliment me? Would you?

[SimDing0]

Okay, so abuse is fine as long as it's preceded by a compliment. I think there's scope for amending the forum rules here, because they erroneously imply that it's never acceptable.

[SConrad]

Okay, so abuse is fine as long as it's preceded by a compliment. I think there's scope for amending the forum rules here, because they erroneously imply that it's never acceptable.

Aw, come on. I don't think that either of us saw his post as violent abuse against anyone.

And I'd surely be most surprised the day you start standing up towards the abuse against BGT when someone proclaims that "Tutu rocks so much more!".

[SimDing0]

But I've never made it a policy of mine to defend mods from unkind remarks.

[SConrad]

Again, I don't see Consis' post as an unkind remark.

[Sir Kalthorine]

Just a personal opinion here (and a general observation based on this and other threads, rather than being aimed at any individual in particular), but I have always been wary of anyone who tries to explain the motivation or subtext behind anyone's posts other than their own. If compliments or criticism are blatant then it should not need any further explanation, whereas if comments are meant to have subtle (or not-so-subtle) hidden meanings then the writer meant them to exist in just that form, and would I believe rarely welcome any other individual (whether well-meaning or not) try and "illustrate" their point for them.

Whether we as readers/staff or whatever agree with the sensibility or validity of such differing approaches is immaterial - it is still the poster's right to say things how they want, and provided the board's guidelines banning out-and-and personal attacks or use of foul or abusive language have not been transgressed (and I don't see any situation in this thread where they have been) then I do not see a problem.

It seems to me that much of the snarkiness that occurs on any and all forums is caused by people disagreeing over the meaning of points that other posters are trying to make. I would suggest, therefore, that we are all left to make up our own minds about what people mean to say unless the individuals themselves choose to further clarify their own points. Far better we state our own opinions rather than argue about our interpretation of other people's, n'est pas?

[SimDing0]

Again, I don't see Consis' post as an unkind remark.

"I think you're a great site for IE modding, not like those other half-baked imitations."

"I think you're a great admin for Studios, not like those other half-baked imitations."

No, this doesn't reflect my opinion on any of the administrators here. It's a good example of the same kind of remark though. Would you say it's at all unkind?

Edited by SimDing0, 30 August 2005 - 02:58 PM.