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[dorotea]

Check your journal - is your Deva still alive? How long did it take you to get to this point in game time? The Quest expires fast. Did you have the Beb appear after you dealt with the demons ? Did he have a conversation with Irenicus? Every one of this missteps will mess up the quest.

I DO NOT recommend summoning in any creatures via CLUA console. The mod was designed to work as it is and I put some checks that will prevent cheating.

Edited by dorotea, 18 May 2008 - 11:41 AM.

[Hurai]

Its me I register to be able to follow your answers on my mail.

Check your journal - is your Deva still alive?

Yes i think

How long did it take you to get to this point in game time?

I dont know exactly the game date because i have done all SoA before, but when i entered the maze, i was +- day 99 16pm and when i met the cambion, i was +- day 100 8am

The Quest expires fast. Did you have the Beb appear after you dealt with the demons ?

Yes, and then, i discuss with him (when he is blue circle), then i gain him green (and i can talk to him and send him to others places in the maze)

Did he have a conversation with Irenicus? Every one of this missteps will mess up the quest.

No, i dont remember well (i have saved the game on the begin of the maze, just in case ), but the only one time irenicus spoke about the bebilith was when i met it after killing all the demons tanarii (because neutral good).

I DO NOT recommend summoning in any creatures via CLUA console. The mod was designed to work as it is and I put some checks that will prevent cheating.

I know, but im quite disappointing... This is my 5th time playing with this particular mod in +- 2 years, and i have never had the deva quest completed, and I never had Irenicus redempt... in 20 games ... and this is although ALL my saves, my tries on multiple replies... :'(

Ill try to explain what i do:

- i enter the maze, see yakman and the deva ybdiel, which i take with me.
- follow yakman, take his diary.
- i see gauntlets on the floor, and found the water of serenity
- quit the maze (the 2th portal in yakman's room) to open the door and then reenter the maze
- cure yakman
- rejoin the room with arrows
- go to east (like said)
- kill the demons in the pilars room
- go to east
- meet tanarii, kill them
- bebillith appears, i convince him to go with me and help the 2 (he took deva with him)
- i send him to the next room (in fact, i saved my game, go see which is the next room, then load the game, send him to it)
- and i repeat this way of acting until the last room (with aesgereth the cambion player) because in this thread, you said something like "would you do the quest of edwin's scroll without edwin" then i decided to take the bebilith with me, all the maze, room after room.
! no talk with irenicus as far as i can remember !
- with the player cambion, i won the harmony gem
! no talk !
BUT i have the paper who said "go to the arrows room"
- i won the gem to open the portal
- i do all the way to join the arrows room
- in the arrows room => nothing.


Then, i began to cheat to made garrick appears, the imps... I'm so desesperate

Oh, i forgot to say, i play in french (sorry for my english by the way)... but i didnt think it was important to say.

[dorotea]

Well, How about you zip your save-game from the save when you are about to talk to Beb ( or shortly after) and email it to me? I need to check what is wrong with your variables, and help me Gods - for I have not done much of Infinity Engine scripting in 3 years. It should not be a problem though. Send it to my email listed on this site.

[Cal Jones]

Spoiler (highlight to read):

The water is in Yakman's room, right in the middle of the floor by the bard's gloves.
The chalice you can get from two imps who approach you after the hunter has been killed (providing the Bebilith is still alive at that point - just make sure you keep him out of trouble in that battle). The imps ask 10K for it. It's up to you whether you pay it.

[Cal Jones]

That's intended - he won't follow you through the portals but if you talk to him you can tell him where to go. Just tell him to wait in the room with the compass on the floor. He'll be there when you return.

[Warrax]

OK, so I have the water and I have the gem (and at what cost... STR and CON permanently set to 6 on my fighter and I don't have anyone who knows 'Remove Curse...' and of course, my game now crashes any time I try to use ShadowKeeper. I'm going to have an aneurysm one of these days...).

I still need the Chalice and I've been to every room on the floor, can't find it. No imps coming up to me and offering to sell it to me, nothing. What do I do?

[Warrax]

OK, so I have the water and I have the gem (and at what cost... STR and CON permanently set to 6 on my fighter and I don't have anyone who knows 'Remove Curse...' and of course, my game now crashes any time I try to use ShadowKeeper. I'm going to have an aneurysm one of these days...).

I still need the Chalice and I've been to every room on the floor, can't find it. No imps coming up to me and offering to sell it to me, nothing. What do I do?

OK, now I'm confused. I just got the gem from the cambion in my second run-through, and I got a note from somewhere about going back to the compass room... but I go there (and the Bebilith/Deva is there, because that's where I told him to wait) and yet, nothing happens.

EDIT: And... miraculously... things have fixed themselves. I am confused, but happy.

EDIT 2: And in the end, it mattered not... Irenicus remains unrepentant, craving the boon of a Bhaalspawn's soul. Nuts. Thought I had him going at least a couple of times.

Edited by Warrax, 02 February 2009 - 07:34 PM.

[Cal Jones]

Yeah, one games I played I did absolutely everything right except I was slightly snippy to him during one dialogue and it set his redemption counter to -1000. There's no way to recover from that. This mod really punishes you for the slightest slip up.
Check your redemption counter and then revert to a save where it's above zero. That's all you can do, really. Sorry.

[Warrax]

Yeah, one games I played I did absolutely everything right except I was slightly snippy to him during one dialogue and it set his redemption counter to -1000. There's no way to recover from that. This mod really punishes you for the slightest slip up.
Check your redemption counter and then revert to a save where it's above zero. That's all you can do, really. Sorry.

Also, I didn't save the dude's daughter from the lich, that might have helped. What's the Console command to check his Redemption counter?

EDIT:

CLUAConsole:GetGlobal("JONREDEMPTIONCOUNTER","GLOBAL")

Right?

Edited by Warrax, 03 February 2009 - 06:26 AM.

[Warrax]

OK, I'm confused. I've got two of the pools absorbed (I'm RIGHT before the Final Battle), and his Redemption counter is set to 40. Is that just insufficient?

EDIT: Oh, so it's DEFINITELY the Malla quest that I didn't do. OK. Redo!

Edited by Warrax, 03 February 2009 - 06:38 AM.

[Cal Jones]

Yes, and you must save Malla's soul. It's a soul thing...ya know.

[Warrax]

Yes, and you must save Malla's soul. It's a soul thing...ya know.

So, went back. Saved Malla's soul. Even saved her idiot father by killing the lich.

Got Irenicus' Redemption counter up to 42, but that wasn't enough. I let him keep the soul from Sendai, and I guess that was my mistake. Burned down Suldanessallar and Ellesime committed suicide to prevent him from performing his ritual.

Argh. Now I have to do this all over... again.

[Cal Jones]

He's quite a challenge isn't he!

[Warrax]

He's quite a challenge isn't he!

This is a really neat mod... the only shame is that it's based in ToB, which really wasn't very good. The mod is better than the entire ToB plotline. IMO, if the entire ToB expansion had centered around the intent to see what could be done about redeeming Irenicus and Sarevok, the game would have been spectacular instead of exceedingly dull and boring (I mean, how obvious and ham-fisted was Melissan...).

I like the dialogues, I like how the voice clips are well-matched and how the written text matches the kind of exposition Irenicus evidenced in SoA. And I love the intra-party banter and interjections, great stuff. I'm also amused, because in one of my little run-throughs, Keldorn tried to kill me right after Irenicus took Sendai's soul, which was unexpected but very much in-character.

And I routinely ignore NPCs that I hate, so I don't usually use Imoen (I always get her killed...), Valygar, Aerie, Haer'Dalis, Cernd, etc, so I'm trying them out and finding awesome dialogues as well. It's just so hard to resist going with my favorites (Sarevok, Jaheira, Minsc, Keldorn and, sans Irenicus, I usually grab either the Kivan mod or run with Jan or even Korgan).

But man, this mod makes it worth it to listen to Aerie or any of them, it's great!

[Warrax]

Tried something new this time, didn't wreak vengeance on Odren by imprisoning him with Demogorgon... holy nutters is that ever a brutal fight, incidentally... nearly endless waves of Glabrezu, that horrible insanity gaze, he's immune to Time Stop... Damn. Anyway, it didn't seem to change Jon's Redemption counter, but I'm at like 42 prior to even reaching Amkethran (off to which I am currently traveling), so hopefully appropriate resolution of the whole "Malla's Soul" deal will change things this time around...

This mod is TOUGH!

[Cal Jones]

There is also a nicer way to deal with Odren - you can seal Demogorgon in as he suggests, then when you go to speak to Odren, tell him the demon wanted you to trick him but you're not going to do that. Odren and the Helmites walk off to think about what they've done and you get +1 rep. (But you don' get to fight Demogorgon).
I don't know that makes any difference to Jon though!