46 replies to this topic

[Blekfis]

Because of the disagrement if Imoen was raped or not, I will make a poll to see what the majority thinks.

[Garumn]

Yes he did, I was always suspecting him it it.

[Delight]

I don't believe he raped her, I never suspected him of physically raping anyone.

[Ravynn]

He had no qualms about torturing her. And he is evil. And she tells CHARNAME that she wants to get out of that dungeon, doesn't want to remember what he's done to her. Never thought about it like that until I saw this thread, but now I think yeah he did rape her. Buttmuncher that he is. :gun: *Irenicus*

[Deathsangel]

He had no qualms about torturing her.  And he is evil.  And she tells CHARNAME that she wants to get out of that dungeon, doesn't want to remember what he's done to her.  Never thought about it like that until I saw this thread, but now I think yeah he did rape her.  Buttmuncher that he is.  :gun: *Irenicus*

I rather thinking of other things when she says that. The spells like <CHARNAME>, murdering in front of her eyes Khalid more in those lines. He is too cold-hearted, to without emotion to do this I think, even if it could stir her power or so. It is not his thing IMO.

[Little Dragon]

I'd say no. The torture served a purpose, to test Imoen's (and the PC's limits). Irenicus was emotionless which means he would get no pleasure out of raping anyone, either from a power or sexual perspective.

[Delight]

Taking in account that magic allows to deal (and heal) a tremendous physical injury (and pain) without using up a subject of experimentation, so I don't see any need to rape Imoen.
Irenicus doesn't want to break her in the way interrogators and political police do.
He shows her death to awaken her Bhaal essence.

[Jinnai]

Then there is the fact he tries to apply an early form of what we would call the scientific method to his reasreach, something that would preclude things that would result in unkown effects as much as possible.

[Kidyla]

I don't think that he raped her. I mean she did say that she never wanted to go back to that dungeon but he did disect Khalid right before her eyes and she did say once that he messed around with her brain. I would have probably reacted as she did if he did all that so no I don't think he did.

[Serenajora]

When you encounter the nymphs in Irenicus' dungeon they state that they are his concubines and slaves. One of them says to Imoen, "He has used you as we." (Or something like that.) I always thought that meant Irenicus had raped her. Being cold-blooded and analytical doesn't preclude him from acting like that. Whatever he thought would work on Imoen is likely what he did.

[Quitch]

Votes are good, clearly expressed opinions are better.

[jester]

Yes, he did and this is final until the next page.

May this thread live long and prosper as its predecessor did.

[Pain Elemental]

I must agree with the no-votes, although I don't rule out the possibility that like described in the Imoen Romance, he used someone else to rape her while he observed.
He sounds like a person who would do that.

[Feanor]

I have the feeling that the majority of Irenicus' experiments were focused on testing their (PC and Imoen) endurance and powers.

[Lord-Jyssev]

didn't he "love" ellesime? and was trying to spark his memory... i don't really know where i am going with this, but i would say that he didn't rape her...

[Kaeloree]

I think that with the nymphs saying 'he used you as we', means that he somehow tried to use Imoen to spark something in him, just like he was trying to use the nymphs for.

I don't believe that Irenicus raped Imoen, simply because there was no reason to. He was torturing them enough with the nearly deadly spells and with Imoen the 'do you see?' thing.

[Adder]

I never thought he raped her. When you meet the clone of Ellesime, Imoen says she doubts that he "took pleasure in her company. He's beyond that." (or something like this).
He may have tried to regain his feelings like that with the dryads earlier, but until the bhaalspawns enter his dugeons he must have realised that this wouldn't work. And he really doesn't seem to be the kind of person who would do such a thing without purpose.

[Western Paladin]

See, the thing is that the game really doesn't make it clear either way. Imoen's own recollections (and the PC's, for that matter) only seem to mention knives and spells and psychological things.

"He cut . . . he cut . . . and his spells wove their way into my brain . . . cold, ugly things!" -- Imoen

And it also suggests that Irenicus himself was "beyond" such things, as others have shown.

"I doubt he took pleasure in her company, he's beyond that. He's obsessed with death. He showed me . . . " -- Imoen

Yet if you wait long enough and have the right people around and choose the right conversation options, and then wait a little longer after that, you actually get a hint in a different direction.

"Do you want to know that I can feel the knives of Irenicus, cutting you . . . torturing you? That I can feel his hands . . . and his breath? Yes, I *know* what he did to you, Imoen . . ." -- Sarevok

In the end, I voted "no". But I think it's quite open to interpretation.

Edited by Western Paladin, 04 September 2005 - 11:44 PM.

[K. Lou of Combs]

I never thought that Irenicus raped Imoen... I mean, what's the point of having concubines if you just rape your experiments?  Irenicus is too logical for that.

When the dryads said, "He has used you as we," I don't think they meant it literally... Personally, I've always believed that Imoen was mentally raped rather than sexually, and that maybe Irenicus was searching for something in the innocence of her mind rather than her body to "instill emotion".

[Loch27]

Magic is sympathetic in Faerun. You don't use a glass of water to summon a fire elemental. You use flame. You don't use sex to bring out the essence of death in someone. You use, well, death. Yes, I'll admit, if she was a virgin that is a sort of "death of the old". But "sort of" doesn't sound like the tactics Irenicus would choose.