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[horred the plague]

A question:
Should BALDUR.GAM be cleared/modified somehow in BP way to avoid NPCs doublespawning? By script and by game's engine based on .GAM info....

Answer a question with a question:

Who specifically is double-spawning?

[King Diamond]

Answer a question with a question:

Who specifically is double-spawning?

I'm asking - I don't know.... Could it be possible at all?
There's no Imoen10 anymore in BGT GAM so I can't check that issue quickly...

[King Diamond]

SONGLIST.2DA
Problem: wrong music plays in BG1 areas.

Problem source: mod adds new entries there starting from ID 87. BUT the problem is that game engine doesn't care about those IDs (1st column) - it searches an absolute row index instead. So we have 83 entries from BG2 and then mod added rows that starting from 87 ID but actually that row is number 84 (!).
As the result we have wrong music all over there.

+ tp2 patching is incomplete and wrong.

That is a right one:
[EDIT]

~84      BC3  BC3.mus
85	BD4  BD4.mus
86	BF3  BF3.MUS
87	BL1  BL1.mus
88	BP3  BP3.mus
89	BW1  BW1.mus
90	Cday  cday.mus
91	Cnite  cnite.mus
92	fday  fday.mus
93	fnite  fnite.mus
94	pday  pday.mus
95	pnite  pnite.mus
96	tday  tday.mus
97	tnite  tnite.mus
98	dreaM  DREAm.mus
99	dung  dung.mus~

as well as

ACTION_IF
  FILE_EXISTS ~MUSICLIS.IDS~
THEN BEGIN
  COPY_EXISTING ~MUSICLIS.IDS~ ~override~  /* 84,85,86 left open for TS */
  APPEND ~MUSICLIS.IDS~
~84      BC3
85	BD4
86	BF3
87	BL1
88	BP3
89	BW1
90	Cday
91	Cnite
92	fday
93	fnite
94	pday
95	pnite
96	tday
97	tnite
98	dreaM
99	dung~

Plz notice there that BGT and BP have DIFFERENT areas' music settings as well as SONGLIST and it will require a real patching when installing them together instead of simple adding/copying: every .are should be patched (until Horred rebuild his settings.... )

Edited by King Diamond, 22 March 2005 - 09:42 AM.

[Sir BillyBob]

Any chance of shrinking down the list so other mods can install better? How many different tavern songs do we need? Also, there are some areas that have music not used anywhere else in the game (that I can remember). Outside Nalia's keep is one of them (okay, I use it in BoneHill but otherwise, I don't remember hearing it anywhere).

[Ascension64]

Answer a question with a question:

Who specifically is double-spawning?

I'm asking - I don't know.... Could it be possible at all?
There's no Imoen10 anymore in BGT GAM so I can't check that issue quickly...

This happened in BGT-WeiDU v0.8, and thus I fixed it. The only possible problem is that when BGT installs over BP then my version of BALDUR.GAM will override the BP version, whatever that will mean...

[Eon Blue Apocalypse]

Any chance of shrinking down the list so other mods can install better?  How many different tavern songs do we need?

All!

Would it be an idea to put the tavern songs back to back into one slot?

[Ascension64]

Any chance of shrinking down the list so other mods can install better?  How many different tavern songs do we need?

All!

Would it be an idea to put the tavern songs back to back into one slot?

What about not having a SONGLIST.2DA at all? Script all the music...is that possible?

This is NPCs update.

1) All proficiencies transferred to effects, some bugs fixed (wrong script and dialog usage).
2) Only included CREs are from BG1 part, anything else is reserved by BG2 and already exist there.

What do I need to do sound patching wise? Can I just recreate the file structure as before?

Edited by Ascension64, 23 March 2005 - 03:36 AM.

[King Diamond]

This is NPCs update.

1) All proficiencies transferred to effects, some bugs fixed (wrong script and dialog usage).
2) Only included CREs are from BG1 part, anything else is reserved by BG2 and already exist there.

What do I need to do sound patching wise? Can I just recreate the file structure as before?

All modifications are working with old tp2. So you don't have to do something special.... Just replace the old files.

What about not having a SONGLIST.2DA at all? Script all the music...is that possible?

How could you track is there music playing already or not, especially combat music, and what time would you turn it off at??? I think it's impossible (and not worth to put some efforts on).

Edited by King Diamond, 23 March 2005 - 05:01 AM.

[Ascension64]

What about not having a SONGLIST.2DA at all? Script all the music...is that possible?

How could you track is there music playing already or not, especially combat music, and what time would you turn it off at??? I think it's impossible (and not worth to put some efforts on).

OK, I get it now.

This is NPCs update.

1) All proficiencies transferred to effects, some bugs fixed (wrong script and dialog usage).
2) Only included CREs are from BG1 part, anything else is reserved by BG2 and already exist there.
3) Following 2) - IMOEN6 and VICONI6 are BG2 charachters (!). Corresponding files must be removed from the installation package and not to be installed. There're IMOEN61 and VICONI61 instead. AR8900.BCS should spawn VICONI61 instead VICONI6.
4) Sorry, I was wrong a little about BGXZAR, BGQUAYLE, IMOEN61 etc. So AR6600, AR7900 BCS should remain original in a case of NPC spawning. All that CREs are olso included here.
6) AR0602.bcs - better transition. Imoen's char by default for the new game is IMOEN10. I think it should be IMOEN6 instead


7) Attachment 2. Gorion's death cutscene scripts fixed (smoothier than ever): switching to midnight is now performing during area reloading; now it's possible to hear everything that Gorion says  ; battle music do not interfere his speach; it's raining (as it should be).

All in. I never ever changed 4)...trust issue.
For 6) I have put in level checking to put in the most relevant level of Imoen, like Minsc and Jaheira.

The SONGLIST.2DA change I haven't made yet. What to do about TS then?

Edited by Ascension64, 23 March 2005 - 05:59 AM.

[King Diamond]

The SONGLIST.2DA change I haven't made yet.  What to do about TS then?

How many new areas does it have? And how many BGT...? I think an answer is obvious....

As far as Horred is making SoS TDD TS WeiDU it's much simplier to edit several areas of those mods instead of patching 480 BGT areas.....for now. Until there will be a decent WeiDU capability to handle 2DAs...or somebody will write a tricky script for that for current WeiDU version.

[Eon Blue Apocalypse]

Would it be possible to swap songlists ingame (through script), say during the transition to SOA?

[King Diamond]

Damn, I realize the problem only now...
100 songs limit..... Don't know if there's a way to avoid all that....

[Yacomo]

Damn, I realize the problem only now... 
100 songs limit..... Don't know if there's a way to avoid all that.... 

You didn't know? You should try to install more mods on top of BP-BGT then

IIRC the workaround is to use PlaySound() instead of PlaySong(), but I do not know if it would work always and it would at least require alteration of a large number of scripts

[King Diamond]

Double-checked NPCs - here is an update:

1) Some proficiency effects had incorrect duration (permanent instead of Permanent after bonuses). This includes IMOEN10 as well (BG2 contains a CRE with incorrect effect)

2) 3 Garrick's dialogs optimized and spells memorization fixed.

Edited by King Diamond, 23 March 2005 - 11:15 AM.

[Ascension64]

Damn, I realize the problem only now... 
100 songs limit..... Don't know if there's a way to avoid all that.... 

You didn't know? You should try to install more mods on top of BP-BGT then

IIRC the workaround is to use PlaySound() instead of PlaySong(), but I do not know if it would work always and it would at least require alteration of a large number of scripts

KD is right about the 'when to stop music' part though. I remember BG1NPC music overlapping with the area music because playsound is used instead of playsong.

[horred the plague]

Damn, I realize the problem only now... 
100 songs limit..... Don't know if there's a way to avoid all that.... 

You didn't know? You should try to install more mods on top of BP-BGT then

IIRC the workaround is to use PlaySound() instead of PlaySong(), but I do not know if it would work always and it would at least require alteration of a large number of scripts

KD is right about the 'when to stop music' part though. I remember BG1NPC music overlapping with the area music because playsound is used instead of playsong.

Haven't looked, but are there other types of songs on the list besides area music? Romance music, e.g? Threse can be made to work with playsound, and a little tinkering. That's what my beef always was with ppl complaining about NPC mods. If the maker of the mod had done it this way, instead of using songlist, in the first place--there wouldn't be compatability issues like this. Why not hound them too, for a change?

[Yacomo]

Haven't looked, but are there other types of songs on the list besides area music? Romance music, e.g? Threse can be made to work with playsound, and a little tinkering. That's what my beef always was with ppl complaining about NPC mods. If the maker of the mod had done it this way, instead of using songlist, in the first place--there wouldn't be compatability issues like this. Why not hound them too, for a change? 

Yeah, but they are so slippery, it's hard to catch 'em

About the music overlapping: There is a simple 'workaround' for that already used by a couple of mods. They just call PlaySong() with the index of an 'empty' song (normally 0) before calling PlaySound().

[King Diamond]

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Sorry that was corrupted: got truobles with ISP right in the time of transfer, so even couldn't see what's happened here.....

Edited by King Diamond, 24 March 2005 - 06:03 AM.

[Sir BillyBob]

Back to the songs (KD keeps interrupting with real work ). Songlist music should loop since you would be in the area longer than the length of the music. Can PlaySong() do that also? I thought the idea of it was to play the music once and be done with it. That is why the romance music should not be in the songlist. The areas, taverns, dream music would all need to loop in case you are there longer than the music can play.

One of my issues with the songlist is that there are many area music pieces just for that area, AR1300, AR1400, etc. Are any other areas using that same music or is it one time only event? I try to use some in my mods just to replay them earlier into a BGT game (otherwise, you won't hear them until BP).

So what about changing the list to two pieces of music per area type? Two forest, dungeon, city, tavern, etc. You also need the night music for these areas also. But that should bring the list down to about 20. Add in the battle and dream music and now around 25. Hmm, with that small a group, you could even have three pieces of music per area type.

[Ascension64]

Haven't looked, but are there other types of songs on the list besides area music? Romance music, e.g? Threse can be made to work with playsound, and a little tinkering. That's what my beef always was with ppl complaining about NPC mods. If the maker of the mod had done it this way, instead of using songlist, in the first place--there wouldn't be compatability issues like this. Why not hound them too, for a change? 

Yeah, but they are so slippery, it's hard to catch 'em

About the music overlapping: There is a simple 'workaround' for that already used by a couple of mods. They just call PlaySong() with the index of an 'empty' song (normally 0) before calling PlaySound().

So...it is possible to script the combat music through BALDUR.BCS!!! It would need a combination of:

IF
  AreaCheck("<area>")
  GlobalLT("ENDOFBG1","GLOBAL",2)
  GlobalTimerExpired("<songduration>")
  CombatCounter(1)
THEN
  RESPONSE #20 (if 5 combat songs available)
    PlaySound("<song>")
    PlaySong(0)
   SetGlobalTimer("<songtimer>",<song_duration>) // a number could be used here to denote minutes seconds
...
END

...but, since combat music works as a looping playlist, how would you implement that? If the combat music is impossible, at least the background area music may be viable for this kind of script in each area.

Also, is it worth the extra 250 or so KB space for this kind of addition? It might also slow the game down due to such a long script.

Edited by Ascension64, 24 March 2005 - 05:36 AM.