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[In3xus]

Well maybe because thats how it has always been in the DnD games (atleast NWN and KOTOR)?

No really it's because a player might battle him at lv20 or lv30 for that matter. It is to ensure the player is always left with a challenge...problem is that with higher levels come more powers which doesnt 100% align up with the foes

PS: What Kotor 2 tool are you using? im still stuck with a semi-working version of KSE (Kotor Savegame Editor) slightly 'reworked' so it can read Kotor 2 savegames (Just barely o.O)...it works perfect when you need to change alignment or NPC names though

PPS: Well the most 'storylike' reason for his saber not to have any upgrades could be that he has learned the ancient sith fighting styles like the dead sith lord on Korriban is it? used. As far as they know alot of the sith back then favored standard blades over sabers but honestly im not sure...never bothered reading much background material on the SW universe

Edited by In3xus, 30 April 2005 - 02:38 AM.

[Pain Elemental]

Just search google for "Kotor Tool" you should be able to edit/view with it.
Items. Blueprints, Placeables etc.

[T.G.Maestro]

As it was already discussed here, he was a great, possibly the greatest disappointment for me. The whole scene was perfectly built up (the bridge of the Ravager looks truly sinister, and the lights are perfect as well), but from the moment I started to fight him, my interest quickly faded. The pure fact that he cannot even use Death Field (yes, he can only use Drain), made me cry, almost.
I was waiting for a major challange here (I absolutely HATE easy games, especially when it comes to boss-level opponents), and instead he went down in 3 Master Flurries.

Also, at least the game should disable the other party members somehow to turn this battle into a duel.. but no.
And if it is kept as it is, he should really make up for his name, and have at least 600-700 HPs, with considerably more powerful Force powers at his disposal (and he should actually USE them too ).

Ehh, I'm merely upset a little.

[T.G.Maestro]

the most 'storylike' reason for his saber not to have any upgrades could be that he has learned the ancient sith fighting styles like the dead sith lord on Korriban is it? used. As far as they know alot of the sith back then favored standard blades over sabers but honestly im not sure...

Nihilus never had too many connections with Korriban - he died at Malachor V (as a Jedi serving Revan), and reborned thanks to the Dark Side energies around the half-dead planet. He learned at the Trayus Academy. If he'd possess the same training as those "old" Sith Lords, he'd chop an entire party of 25th level characters to pieces.

Yet one thing I don't really understand is why he cannot drain the PC or the other party members - in addition, he seems to suffer greatly from the attempt! Any idea why that is?

[Bluenose]

the most 'storylike' reason for his saber not to have any upgrades could be that he has learned the ancient sith fighting styles like the dead sith lord on Korriban is it? used. As far as they know alot of the sith back then favored standard blades over sabers but honestly im not sure...

Nihilus never had too many connections with Korriban - he died at Malachor V (as a Jedi serving Revan), and reborned thanks to the Dark Side energies around the half-dead planet. He learned at the Trayus Academy. If he'd possess the same training as those "old" Sith Lords, he'd chop an entire party of 25th level characters to pieces.

Yet one thing I don't really understand is why he cannot drain the PC or the other party members - in addition, he seems to suffer greatly from the attempt! Any idea why that is?

The feeling I got was that he survived by draining the force from other force users. Now you confront him with a party with Visas, who he's linked to in some way and presumably can't drain, Manderous who isn't a force user, and you. You as the exile also gain power by draining force users, so when he tries to take power from you it's like trying to drain water into a hole from a deeper hole. Instead, you probably gain some power, and he's weakened. That was my explanation for why he couldn't drain you - and also for why he was not as formidable as expected - he'd weakened himself before you fought.

[T.G.Maestro]

Might be true.

Still, there is one additional problem here: Kreia said that he cannot control/direct his power completely - it works like normal hunger, and as such, it cannot be directed against a single target. Instead he drains every living thing around him all the time, slowly turning his servants into zombies.
The fact that he tries to "drain you" seems to be quite controversial following this logic.

[Efreet]

I think what Kreya said was that He is controlled by his hunger.

In the beginning he drained people to increase his power now he no longer has a choice: He has to keep killing people or his thirst of energy will drive him mad.

When he cannot find anything he could conciously drain (like a planet full of force sensitives) his hunger starts getting out of control , slowly draining everyone near him.

[T.G.Maestro]

eeh, even with the Hardcore mod installed, Nihilus is still a joke. This is truly frustrating.

KoToR 2: The sHit Lords. :glare:

[Feanor]

eeh, even with the Hardcore mod installed, Nihilus is still a joke. This is truly frustrating.

KoToR 2: The sHit Lords. :glare:

TG, ever the rebellious...

[Sol]

eeh, even with the Hardcore mod installed, Nihilus is still a joke. This is truly frustrating.

KoToR 2: The sHit Lords. :glare:

Yup I tried the hardcore mod as well and he's still a pansy. Took me a few hits more though this time

[Darth_Vorin]

Every time i play the game, when i get to Darth Nihilus it is always a dissapointment. For a person who is the main figure on the front cover of the game and has the coolest looking cloaks and mask in the game, he is really a bit pants.

The hardest fight for me in the entire game was probably the part where you take control of Atton and have to fight them two twilek bounty hunters on Nar Shadda.

The rest of the game was a breeze. If they bring out another KOTOR, i hope it is much more challenging.

[T.G.Maestro]

Again (not that I'm trying to advertise it or anything), the Hardcore mod can take care of most of the difficulty problems. But Nihilus needs much-much more I fear that a slight ability boost.

[jezzy101]

he was defenutley dissapointing, he had like a 3rd of the game for his part- as one of three bad guys, and ended up to be ....rubish-

[jezzy101]

Every time i play the game, when i get to Darth Nihilus it is always a dissapointment. For a person who is the main figure on the front cover of the game and has the coolest looking cloaks and mask in the game, he is really a bit pants.

The hardest fight for me in the entire game was probably the part where you take control of Atton and have to fight them two twilek bounty hunters on Nar Shadda.

The rest of the game was a breeze. If they bring out another KOTOR, i hope it is much more challenging.

i so totaly agree, them twileks with Atton actually made me think!lol

[T.G.Maestro]

The hardest fight for me in the entire game was probably the part where you take control of Atton and have to fight them two twilek bounty hunters on Nar Shadda.

The sad thing is that this battle can completely cheated by running behind a desk in a corner - if you do that fast, they just won't follow you and stand there doing nothing while you shoot them to death.
It definitely kills the fun from this encounter, so I don't advise it to anyone who prefers real challanges.

Anyway, back to topic.

[Userunfriendly]

The hardest fight for me in the entire game was probably the part where you take control of Atton and have to fight them two twilek bounty hunters on Nar Shadda.

The sad thing is that this battle can completely cheated by running behind a desk in a corner - if you do that fast, they just won't follow you and stand there doing nothing while you shoot them to death.
It definitely kills the fun from this encounter, so I don't advise it to anyone who prefers real challanges.

Anyway, back to topic.

nah...i used mines...

A LOT OF MINES!!!

true, cheating but SO MUCH FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fallen_demon]

It did bother me that he didn't even have death field, and some parts of the game would of been more fun with more difficult battles, but I play RPGs for the plot.

And KOTOR 2 had way too much wasted plot potential for me to complain about the difficulty.

[Archmage Silver]

It did bother me that he didn't even have death field, and some parts of the game would of been more fun with more difficult battles, but I play RPGs for the plot.

And KOTOR 2 had way too much wasted plot potential for me to complain about the difficulty.

Ah, there's life on these parts of the forums! Yep, the game came out too unfinished, it's a shame really. The plot potential was enormous, but dropped to the "normal" star wars game level, which is to say, that it wasn't too good.