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[SirLancelot]

The topic title question... i want to know which Refinements components are already BP compatible.

[Caedwyr]

http://www.shsforums...?showtopic=8842

[glx]

i ve played through tob with the new hla system - no problems.
but with the druidic sorcerer - i have installed him later so i could use the ds-spec hla otherwise you can only use the refined one.
the other parts, i was to afraid

[Littiz]

If you use some of the TDD kits, you'll probably incur in problems with our Use Scrolls system (not to mention the fact that they won't have specific HLA tables, so the couldn't ever be truly integrated with the system!).
But if you use BP just for the quests, using the original classes and kits, there shouldn't be problems... well, some minor ones, possibly, which we are currently removing for the upcoming V2.

All in all, it depends on your definition of "compatibility".
I'd say V2 will be "totally" compatible, as long as you don't include TDD kits in this evaluation.
And you'll still need a kit uninstaller, if you want to use the Sword Angel component.

The other three components should be "compatible" already, as far as I know

[the bigg]

Mind that SwashImoen will blow your game if you have Imoen Romance, NeJ or BGT; Until v2 comes out, that is

[SirLancelot]

"But if you use BP just for the quests, using the original classes and kits, there shouldn't be problems... well, some minor ones, possibly, which we are currently removing for the upcoming V2."

That's me. Perfect. Furthermore, i often use the TDD kit Remover or Polar Bear TDD kit Selector.


"Mind that SwashImoen will blow your game if you have Imoen Romance, NeJ or BGT; Until v2 comes out, that is "

Ah, ok then I won't use that component this time. I can always change her class with SDK, thought.

So then, Refinements is indeed quite compatible with BP, just discard some things away. I wonder if this means i can install Large Scale Battle and Mazzy the Paladin too.

Thx for the quick replys.

[the bigg]

I wonder if this means i can install Large Scale Battle and Mazzy the Paladin too.

Thx for the quick replys.

MTP should work, LSB I don't know (never got to play it). At a first glance, though, I think they should work.

Unfortunately, BP adds so much stuff to the baldur.bcs that you may find that some scripts aren't working properly. That is the fault of the engine, and there is little I can do.

Incidentally, these mods aren't part of Refinements, so direct relative comments to The Bigg House

[PolarBear]

Oh, I hope you don't mind if I resurrect this topic

So, finally I have some time to catch my breath and make a new BG build. My question is, would V2 fit in my (not yet existent) BP-BGT-DSotSC-CTB build?
Of course I'll remove TDD kits first. And I also plan to install Rogue rebalance mod.

Should I just forget it or give it a shot?

(btw, both BP and BGT will be the old non-weidued version)

[the bigg]

I was able to play nicely with these installed, though it's not 100% sure; if you don't mind CLUAing every now and then, you'd do us a great beta-testing service (I was the BP compatibility manager, but then I decided that TDD and SOS weren't that good, so I uninstalled them).

[PolarBear]

Hmm, I guess I'll give it a try then. Thanks for your quick reply

[PolarBear]

Okay, here I am. Unfortunately, I didn't have too much time for playing, I'm in Nashkel atm. Actually I've just realized a potential incompatibility/future bug. So...

I totally forgot this! TDD does not only offer new kits for a PC, but it changes many NPCs default kits aswell. Khalid is a vindicator for example (probably one of the kits with the least fantasy), and Minsc is a Rasheman Berserker (cheese). My guess is that these NPCs won't benefit from your awesome improved HLA table. Is this correct, Bigg?

If so, is there a way to fix this? (removing kits, or applying new HLA's to all kits?)

Edit: typo

Edited by PolarBear, 10 April 2005 - 04:19 AM.

[the bigg]

Post the contents of override/luabbr.2da and I'll tell you

[PolarBear]

here you go

2DA V1.0
*
ABBREV
MAGE Ma0
FIGHTER Fi0
CLERIC CL0
THIEF Th0
BARD Ba0
PALADIN Pa0
DRUID Dr0
RANGER Ra0
FIGHTER_MAGE FM0
FIGHTER_CLERIC FC0
FIGHTER_THIEF FT0
FIGHTER_MAGE_THIEF FMT
MAGE_THIEF MT0
CLERIC_MAGE CM0
CLERIC_THIEF CT0
FIGHTER_DRUID FD0
FIGHTER_MAGE_CLERIC FMC
CLERIC_RANGER CR0
ABJURER Ma2
CONJURER Ma6
DIVINER Ma5
ENCHANTER Ma9
ILLUSIONIST Ma8
INVOKER Ma7
NECROMANCER Ma3
TRANSMUTER Ma4
BERSERKER Fi2
WIZARD_SLAYER Fi3
KENSAI Fi4
CAVALIER Pa2
INQUISITOR Pa3
UNDEAD_HUNTER Pa4
FERALAN Ra2
STALKER Ra3
BEASTMASTER Ra4
ASSASIN Th2
BOUNTY_HUNTER Th3
SWASHBUCKLER Th4
BLADE Ba2
JESTER Ba3
SKALD Ba4
TOTEMIC_DRUID Dr2
SHAPESHIFTER Dr3
BEAST_FRIEND Dr4
TALOS Cl2
HELM Cl3
LATHANDER Cl4
MONK Mo0
BARBARIAN BRB
WILDMAGE WMG
SORCERER SRC
Mage_Hunter Pa0
Ninja Th0
Blade_Slinger FM0
Shamen Dr0
Anti_Paladin Pa0
Frost_Dweller Fi0
Healer CL0
VampireHunter Fi0
Marksman Fi0
Chanter Ba0
Sellsword Fi0
Cronicler Ba0
Selune CL0
Malar CL0
Auril CL0
Cerebral Pa0
Grunt Fi0
Shadow Dr0
Pit Fi0
Wilderness Ra0
Minstrel Ba0
Duergar Fi0
Troubador Ba0
Knife Th0
Aerial Dr0
Aquatic Dr0
Samurai Ra0
Warlock CL0
ShadElf Ra0
Lord Pa0
Guardian Fi0
Faith CL0
Dragon Pa0
Ravager Fi0
Sniper Th0
Svirf Th0
Drowr Ra0
Drowf Fi0
Drowa Th0
Drowc CL0
Drowb Fi0
Tracker Ra0
Giant Ra0
Troll Fi0
Demon Pa0
Fgnome Fi0
Burglar Th0
Breach Fi0
Plane Th0
Thug Th0
Hunt Th0
Saurial Pa0
Just Dr0
Dream Dr0
Buck Ba0
Musician Ba0
Delver Th0
Merchant Th0
Eye Ra0
Forest Ra0
Swindler Th0
Harch Fi0
Tact Fi0
Slinger Ra0
Blademast Fi0
Rhythm Fi0
Vind Fi0
Holy Fi0
Tief Fi0
Silvan Dr0
Tybboch CL0
Tempus CL0
Amaunator CL0
Shar CL0
Dark Pa0
Tyr CL0
Mystra CL0
Amazon Fi0
FENCE Th0
RASHEMAN Ra0
MOON_KNIGHT Fi0
trueres Th0
truequi Th0
truequF Th0
assatF Th2
assatw Th2
bountF Th3
bountw Th3
swashtF Th4
swashtw Th4
bersetF Fi2
bersetw Fi2
kensatF Fi4
kensatw Fi4
talostF Cl2
talostw Cl2
helmtF Cl3
helmtw Cl3
lathtF Cl4
lathtw Cl4
magetw Ma0
bladetw Ba2
SWANG SWA

[the bigg]

TDD kits will receive the standard class' HLA, which may or may not be appropriate, and in some cases they could cause some problems, but generally you should be fine, maybe except something with *argh* spell scrolls.

Of course, changing with NI their kit back to Trueclass or one of the standard BG2 ones, although it could involve a couple of tricky parts, is well-advised.

EDIT: could you please list all creatures who have been assigned a custom kit (filename + in-game name + class), so that I could improve the TDD kit remover?

Edited by the bigg, 10 April 2005 - 05:11 AM.

[PolarBear]

Hmm, thanks a lot . That's great I thought there would be more problem with this, but that's great Anyway if I find anything I'll post it here. Hmm I'm a bit tempted to change Minsc's HLA table to another ranger kit's. Or maybe just get rid of the cheese, I don't know.

[PolarBear]

I've caome across a bug, I don't know if its refinements related. When I travel to a certain area, the loading screen comes in normally, but instead of disappearing it goes slowly transparent, and then I see my party on a blank black screen. Have I messed up my installation, what do you think?

[T.G.Maestro]

I think this has nothing to do with Refinements or any of it's components, but I cannot tell you more.

[Littiz]

Honestly, it would seem an area related problem, and we don't add anything specific to areas...
Which area is that?

[the bigg]

Probably an engine glitch, if it is costant try clearing the cache.

[PolarBear]

Hmm, looks like it's a DSotSC related problem, so sorry for my redundant post here.