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[Feanor]

You granted some info about Khadion's personality. But what you posted is only about his social behaviour.
So, could you post some info about his beliefs and morality ? If he is a shadow thieves, is he concerned only about his interest ? Is he a business-man type like Renal, for instance ? Would he object if the party neglect his interest for a greater good (think of the quest "releasing the woman without a reward", for instance) ? Is he devoted to a god ?

Edited by Feanor, 04 February 2005 - 11:05 PM.

[Feanor]

Seb ?

[SConrad]

Oh, yeah, sorry. I planned on replying a long time ago, but something err... got in between.

So, could you post some info about his beliefs and morality ?

Khadion's views on morality is very influenced by the environment he lives in. He is a thief, he's raised by thieves and practically all his friends are thieves. He doesn't look upon ethics and morale as a paladin does, for example. Stealing, robbing, threathening and even killing is just a part of the job he does, it's a part of what he is. He doesn't take pleasure in killing anyone, but his morals doesn't prevent him from doing it. He wouldn't kill an innocent, but he wouldn't hesitate in doing something for the Shadow Thieves.

If he is a shadow thieves, is he concerned only about his interest ?

Khadion has a very limited understanding about things beyond Athkatla and the Shadow Thieves, the things that concern him, and he is very self-centered. During his upbringing, much of the things surrounding him is pretty much about him - being the Shadowmaster's son, being the ladies' man, etc. As the game progresses, however he will realise that there are things larger than what he knows, and that the world doesn't circle around him.

Is he a business-man type like Renal, for instance ?

Renal and Khadion are very much different. Khadion is too young and too self-centered to be the business-man such as Renal. He doesn't think of the consequences of his own actions, he doesn't put other people's interest before his own, and so forth. He's not that type of guy.

Would he object if the party neglect his interest for a greater good (think of the quest "releasing the woman without a reward", for instance) ?

This is very much depended on where in the character development he is at the time. But yes, if he doesn't agree with the party's actions, he will say so.

Is he devoted to a god ?

No, he isn't.

[Meira]

So, could you post some info about his beliefs and morality ?

Khadion's views on morality is very influenced by the environment he lives in. He is a thief, he's raised by thieves and practically all his friends are thieves. He doesn't look upon ethics and morale as a paladin does, for example. Stealing, robbing, threathening and even killing is just a part of the job he does, it's a part of what he is. He doesn't take pleasure in killing anyone, but his morals doesn't prevent him from doing it. He wouldn't kill an innocent, but he wouldn't hesitate in doing something for the Shadow Thieves.

Game mechanics aside - how would he determine who's innocent?

Is he devoted to a god ?

No, he isn't.

Is the there a specific reason for this?

[Feanor]

Is he devoted to a god ?

No, he isn't.

From the character's point of view, that's not a good idea, because if you don't have a god, you will have some troubles in the afterlife (it was an old topic in the AD&D forum, don't remember exactly what were those problems, but it was not good). So he would probably pick one.
Another reason for Khadion to choose a god would be to avoid being squashed by other gods, if he steps on her tail. Roughly speaking, gods can kill any mortal by Divine Will, but they don't do it because the other gods would interfere to protect their followers. But, if you don't have a god to protect you, your life would become more... risky.

[Meira]

Hmmm.. But when you're young, you feel kind of immortal, right? So afterlife is not likely to be high on his list to-ponder-about.

[SConrad]

Game mechanics aside - how would he determine who's innocent?

Is there a reason for the creature to be killed? Khadion won't kill anyone without a reason, but have no problems doing so if there is one.

From the character's point of view, that's not a good idea, because if you don't have a god, you will have some troubles in the afterlife (it was an old topic in the AD&D forum, don't remember exactly what were those problems, but it was not good). So he would probably pick one.
Another reason for Khadion to choose a god would be to avoid being squashed by other gods, if he steps on her tail. Roughly speaking, gods can kill any mortal by Divine Will, but they don't do it because the other gods would interfere to protect their followers. But, if you don't have a god to protect you, your life would become more... risky. 

This is very true, but not something Khadion is very much bothered by. The gods simply doesn't interest him enough. But maybe in time, he will?

Hmmm.. But when you're young, you feel kind of immortal, right? So afterlife is not likely to be high on his list to-ponder-about.

Exactly.

[Azkyroth]

Is he devoted to a god ?

No, he isn't.

From the character's point of view, that's not a good idea, because if you don't have a god, you will have some troubles in the afterlife (it was an old topic in the AD&D forum, don't remember exactly what were those problems, but it was not good). So he would probably pick one.
Another reason for Khadion to choose a god would be to avoid being squashed by other gods, if he steps on her tail. Roughly speaking, gods can kill any mortal by Divine Will, but they don't do it because the other gods would interfere to protect their followers. But, if you don't have a god to protect you, your life would become more... risky. ;)

It depends a bit on what one means by "devoted to," I think. Choosing a patron deity based on personal resonance with their ideology doesn't necessarily mean dedicating a whole lot of one's time and effort to explicitly serving that deity...and from the character description I can rather see Khadion having a shallow on-and-off fling with a faith as readily as with a woman...

[Dharker]

It's true-- those who don't worship a God in FR (however religiously they do so - er, no pun intended) are pretty much doomed when they die. By canon, those who have no patron deity stand a strong chance, when they die, of ending up permanently dead.

However, since Khadion will (assumedly) be in your party when he dies, he can be raised because of this:
When a faithless dies, there is a 1D10 day period that a Faithless may be raised before Kelemvor takes the soul permanently.

That said, this IS BG2, it's not strictly canon. Didn't CHARNAME & Imoen lose their souls and carry on normally? Imoen doesn't permanently die if she loses all her HP when she doesn't have a soul, despite technically having to!

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Edited by Dharker, 02 September 2008 - 01:15 PM.

[the bigg]

You realise you're posting in a three years old thread about a mod that will never be released?

[Kaeloree]

It will be, but... just not quite yet.

Khadion does have a god he worships; as the bigg has said, this thread is very old--it's also outdated in terms of content. Thanks for the suggestion, though!

[the bigg]

It will be, but... just not quite yet.

Excuse me while I still don't believe you.

After four years, nothing would make me believe in this, apart from the mods' release.

[SConrad]

Tsk, tsk. bigg, ever the optimist.

As for Khadion, he's got a deity now, so I wouldn't worry about him ending up in the wall.

[the bigg]

Tsk, tsk. bigg, ever the optimist.

Well, if I state my skepticism at Baronius's projects, I'd better do the same at you, or I'd end up being an hypocrite

(of course, given the current state of various people at BWL, perhaps being an hypocrite is actually a plus)

Edited by the bigg, 03 September 2008 - 02:39 AM.

[Dharker]

You realise you're posting in a three years old thread about a mod that will never be released?

Yes, I know that it is three years old. But have some faith, eh?

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Edited by Dharker, 05 September 2008 - 06:37 PM.