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[jester]

We had the discussion before and I find the project horrible and a waste of her talents and her energy. Just the fact that she has not much to work with, must ignore the movies and the fact that no weapon animations exist will make this a very special project. I am looking forward to the finished version nevertheless. good luck!

@TGM: Lara Croft is a good point, but it is an FPS. Fable has an male-only-char, right?

[Meira]

@TGM: Lara Croft is a good point, but it is an FPS. Fable has an male-only-char, right?

Then again Ms. Croft is designed to be attractive for your standard male-gamer. And if Nameless One is a result of an attempt to make an attractive male character for the standard female-gamer... There is something very wrong with that market research.

There must be something very wrong with me, though, since I happily played both the above mentioned games without getting overly bothered by the character's gender.

[jester]

Sorry Meira, you are right to a certain degree, but LC is all about jumping and shooting and stuff, whereas TNO has a story. It is so well told and intertwined with the game that I must say that the replayability of the game is poor. Why? Because it is essentially just one good story that you can play. You cannot be Hubelpot or Dorothy, but you can feel that TNO has shaped everything around him. People who he dragged into despair and doom. He changed a lot of things.

Ashara is prob one of the few people I'd concede that she can pull it off, but I doubt the game will let her do it properly.

[Child]

This is kinda like not playing Deus Ex coz there is no female JC, or like not playing Gordon Freeman coz ure a woman....kinda silly....but I guess whatever floats ure boat. Um....but isn't it rather a lot of work to go to jsut to play as a woman? The Nameless One is hideously ugly, scarred, has been pretty nasty in the past, and smells, but I didnt ahve massive problems playing him....
Er...

U guys missed out another moderately big problem....
Ravel.
Ud have to make her lesbian or something? Or axe/change some of her dialogue?

[Child]

Oh wait, my bad...u already put Ravel in, right at the top :S Sorry...
But i did think of another smallish problem..Ei-Vene is gonna be a bit odd...the dialogue there kinda assumes ure topless....

[Dalis'ilhea]

I'd completly forgotten about that... hmmm.... possibly sew up her leg or arm?

[SimDing0]

I'd personally rather have a romanceable Dak'kon

Not Nordom?!

[alustriel]

I'd personally rather have a romanceable Dak'kon

Not Nordom?!

Nordom: I estimate Fall-From-Grace to be found attractive by the male sex of over 321,423 separate species. Give or take five.
Grace: Oh? Does that include Modrons?
Nordom: I am no longer able to answer that question. I do not know.


Nordom: Attention: Fall-From-Grace. I wish to address your body.
Grace: Pardon me?
Nordom: Your body. Your form. Your reason for selecting it. Why?
Grace: Why... I suppose I find it comforting. Besides, I rather like the wings.
Nordom: It would be more practical for you to assume the form of a modron. It is 13.27% more efficient. Give or take +5.2%.
Grace: Why, Nordom, are you trying to court me?
Nordom: It was not my intention to initiate legal action against you.


Might as well try to snuggle with a computer.
Speaking of which, are computers male or female?

I rather like Nordrom. hehehe

[Dalis'ilhea]

Probably both mine, it's more confused then me

[Longinus]

Guys, I know that I am horrible etc, but I was wondering if any of you can provide an input on the following issue (PLEASE NO: YOU CANNOT DO THAT, BECAUSE IT IS A BLASPHEMY AND LIKE TOTALY DESTROYS THE UNIVERSE, BECAUES I ALREADY TOLD YOU I AM HORRIBLE!)

I would like to convert my PST game for a female Nameless One. I have NOT played the game yet, since I was put off by having to play a male and I am again facing the issue of not being able to play it with a male, so I started doing some changes and figured... why not?

Any information on why I would not be able to do it (key story points, engine limitations etc) will be appreciated - I do not mind any spoilers.

My plan so far:

Mortuary:

- Change Nameless One animation to FFG's animation
- Change Deheionarra (or whatever) to a male and rewrite her dialogue for a male; delete voicing (it's terrible anyway)
- See if <PRO_LADYLORD> tag will work and change all the dialogues that require it.
-alter Mortis dialogues

Previously pointed conceptual problems:

Ravel - will have to make her bisexual
Annah - will either have to make her bisexual or skip her romance
FFG will be changed to a male incubus (using NAMELESS one animation/portrait)

Where should I begin?!

Personally, I view PS:T as a game that tells the tale of a man's inner struggle for redemption. However much you might not want to admit it, men and women are fundementally different both biologically and psychologically. Besides, aren't women in general way too vain to tolerate playing the role of a zombified amnesiac who has the complexion of a shrivelled corpse?

Like it or not, the vast majority of gamers are male; I hope for your sake that you've prepared yourself for the wrath of yet more curvaceous scantily-clad female characters who have a nasty habit of posing for the camera at every available opportunity.

It's actually amazing how many games depend on sex appeal to sell themselves to the gaming public (games such as Bloodrayne, Dead or Alive, Tomb Raider etc). The only people who are complaining are straight women who also wouldn't like the idea of a female humanoid feline mutant with a waggling tail hitting on them.

Why not make Annah a man too?

Edited by Longinus, 23 February 2005 - 08:11 AM.

[Longinus]

I'll be cheering you on though, playing as an ugly male was what put me off of playing the game when it first came out. That, and the horrible cover.

Wow, how superficial and shallow of you.

Maybe if the game had Yuna showing her ass off in tight short shorts on the front cover instead you would have reconsidered. Oh wait, that was the front cover for FFX-2 which sold millions of copies.

Edited by Longinus, 23 February 2005 - 07:57 AM.

[Longinus]

Out of all the characters, Grace is the one I can most readily see as bisexual...

I bet you're the type of person who would automatically assume that any attractive woman is bisexual. Why is that I wonder? What are your thoughts on the ever voluptuous Bloodrayne? What about the beautiful Maria from Star Ocean III?

Also, since Fall From Grace is a succubus, a creature born into existence for the sole purpose of tempting men into selling their souls, why on Earth would she swing both ways? Perhaps her darker half is bisexual. I would actually find the idea of homosexual urges being the product of an evil version of herself strangely believable.

Hell, maybe Trias is bisexual too since he's an angel and therefore must be "open-minded" about "matters of the heart". Yeah, I'm sure that God wouldn't frown on the idea of people screwing members of the same sex when human beings were equiped to procreate with the opposite sex -- not the same sex -- at all. *Rolls eyes*.

Man, I see that this community hasn't changed in the slightest since my last visit. How's the latest Viconia romance mod shaping up by the way?

Edited by Longinus, 23 February 2005 - 08:07 AM.

[Longinus]

Then again Ms. Croft is designed to be attractive for your standard male-gamer.

Yeah, Core sold out in that respect. Lara Croft's original creator never intended for her to assume such an impossible figure. In the end, however, she was sexed up for no other reason than to bait in a male audience.

Edited by Longinus, 23 February 2005 - 08:20 AM.

[SimDing0]

Ah. Longinus. I see you're back with the same material as always. The world just wasn't the same without your ever-evolving views on homosexuality.

[Grim Squeaker]

How's the latest Viconia romance mod shaping up by the way?

Very well, thank you.

[Amazor'dra]

I'll be cheering you on though, playing as an ugly male was what put me off of playing the game when it first came out. That, and the horrible cover.

Wow, how superficial and shallow of you.

Maybe if the game had Yuna showing her ass off in tight short shorts on the front cover instead you would have reconsidered. Oh wait, that was the front cover for FFX-2 which sold millions of copies.

First off, I'm sure you've heard of how bad the marketing was for PS:T, right...?

For the casual store browser like I am, a box with a big wrinkly face on it and with the words "You have a raw animal magnetism that drives women wild" on the back isn't exactly going to get on a must buy list.

Yet, I did end up trying out the game when others claimed it was good, so before you accuse anyone of being superficial and shallow, you should put more thought into your rantings.

Somewhere along the way you managed to forget I am straightish female. I had no idea that Yuna was showing her butt on the FFX-2 cover, but hey... since you obviously took a good look what does that make you?

[Child]

Correct me if im wrong. PS:T is the story of an immortal who has caused countless problems and evils throughout life, and is now seeking to atone for the crimes commited, and a way to stop more. In addition, the immortal's aim is to cease to be, so that no more crimes are commited, and a process of self-discovery is necessary for this.

Please look at that sentence. Now, it roughly sums up PS:T. It has all the crucial elements. Immortality. Atonement. Self-Discovery. I missed out adventure and fun, but those are aspects of the game, not the story. Now read that sentence again. Do u see any pronoun, or indeed anything else, that is suggestive of gender? No. Why not? BECAUSE IT ISN'T AN ISSUE.

PS:T was written for a male Nameless One. But that doesn't mean that the immortal can't be a female...nothing in the main points of the story even suggests that. Im not sure what the reason to make the Nameless One a male was, though i could conjecture several. But the fact is that the reason that there is only one gender is this: The game is vastly complex, with many dialogue options. Taking into account the fact that it had its developing time slashed, why the heck would Black Isle go to all the trouble, and more importantly TIME of writing in all the extra and different female dialogue options. It would totally change how many people reacted to you..

Take Deus Ex for example. In Deus Ex 2 there is the option to be female. in Deus Ex 1 there wasn't. Does this mean that JC Denton couldn't hypothetically be female, because the game didn't allow him to be? No. Because gender wasn't an issue int he game. Now let me tell you something else. Deus Ex 1 was initially made with BOTH sexes available. But there wasn;t enough room on the cd, and they didn't want to make it a 2 cd game, so they took out all the female soundsets, as well as the female models. Think about the implications of that for a moment.

The Nameless One could just as well have been female, and wasn't. Fine. But that doesn't mean that the gender of the Nameless One was set in stone, nor does it mean that there is no other option. If someone wants to write the female side, then go for it.

One final point: Longius please MODIFY your language. Calling people shallow on a public forum, with no real knowledge of them, or a true understanding of their opinions, is not only wrong, but disgraceful. Please add a little RESPECT to your language, because even if you aren't offending others, you are offending me. It doesn't take much. Your views are as valid as anyone else's, and posting them is fine, but don't drag the character of those who you disagree with into the debate, please.

Rant over.