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[T.G.Maestro]

The best solution for this dilemma would be to make the bonuses from the robe and from the HLA non-stackable somehow (following the same logic that makes different magical rings, armor, etc. that add AC bonuses non-stackable).
I don't know if this is possible at all though.

[Littiz]

Only over my cold, dead body .

Lowering the number of allowed picks to 1 or 2 wouldn't seem that bad.

Noble goals. Bad assumption. If it's abuseable someone will abuse it.

I see, but I can't be worried about everyone.
Chain Contingency is abuseable, but I never abused of it, not even once to check about the exploit.
I've always, always, always used it the way it is meant to.
Yet, if a specific ability cannot be used, but only abused, then you have a point.

@guest(s) (same person?):
What I could do, for instance, would be to render the Robe not useable by sorcs, or even just by sorcs who learn Spellcasting Speed Increase.
The robe wouldn't be showed with the red glow though, as for normally unuseable items. Also, I'd need some damn good explanations to do such a thing...
It might be worth the time to try messing with the stackability of the effects, too.

Edited by Littiz, 07 December 2004 - 12:20 PM.

[the bigg]

The robe wouldn't be showed with the red glow though, as for normally unuseable items. Also, I'd need some damn good explanations to do such a thing...

Time to un-dust again Use Scolls Engine
I'm afraid I can't help that much on this point... my computer is again . I wanted to build a BP-BGT-DSOTSC-NEJ game (among other things, to test Refinements + TDD kits), but then realized I didn't have the BG2 cds with me :bash: , and won't have them until the holidays.
*tries to hide from TGJ & Littiz's :gun: :gun: *

[jester]

Just make sure you tell the player the downside of his/her choices beforehand or you will get bug reports in abundance IMO about this.

[the bigg]

Just make sure you tell the player the downside of his/her choices beforehand or you will get bug reports in abundance IMO about this.

It won't work, too many people are still keeping reporting the bug "no more Use Any Item"

[T.G.Maestro]

Can you make the robe only wearable my mages and not sorcerers?

As Littiz said, this act would need a damn good explanation - a situation that reminds me on the Extend Spell dilemma for this class...

Lowering the number of allowed picks to 1 or 2 wouldn't seem that bad.

Mmm, no. Again, I can't accept a modification that is based on an item here. The Spellcasting Speed Increase LA works very well (and balanced), even if you equip the Amulet of Power, or use AC. It was meant to have more picks. The problem is the robe, hands down - it's massive -4 to casting speed is an unbelieveable bonus even in itself (especially for that considerably low price!).
If we ever attempt some balancing here, it should target the robes price (personally I would see it most lgical to ask much much more for such a powerful and legendary artifact), or the stackability of the effects.

*tries to hide from TGJ & Littiz

Actually, TG'J' is already preparing his blade with a nasty contact poison...

[jester]

Well you could move the robe to some other place later in the game, but that would not solve your ToB problems. Money is no problem for me after the second chapter I own more than Bill Gates does.

[T.G.Maestro]

you could move the robe to some other place later in the game, but that would not solve your ToB problems

Exactly, especially since this problem is very ToB specific.

Money is no problem for me after the second chapter I own more than Bill Gates does

True, but at least it would make things a bit harder.. eh.

As it seems, the only good option would be to make the speed increasing effects from the robe and from the HLA non-stackable. I'm completely clueless about this though.

[the bigg]

Can you make the robe only wearable my mages and not sorcerers?

As Littiz said, this act would need a damn good explanation - a situation that reminds me on the Extend Spell dilemma for this class...

You could make it so that you can't cast IA while wearing the Vecna, i believe... Not sure if the fact you can't change your armour while fighting makes this a good idea. You can always claim that there are "strange fluctuactions" in your magic aura, that makes IA fizzle.
bonus: doesn't need scripting.

Actually, TG'J' is already preparing his blade with a nasty contact poison...

TGJ is because your latest email are screened as "Toth Gabor Janos". Your secret is out
*hastily flees & hides *

[T.G.Maestro]

TGJ is because your latest email are screened as "Toth Gabor Janos". Your secret is out

Yep, thats my true name, correct.
While I could call myself TGJM now, I'd gently keep with the good-old TGM, mostly because I rarely use 'Janos', only in my RL signature I think.

*hastily flees & hides

Oh, no problem Valerio, nothing at all...

[the bigg]

Oh, no problem Valerio, nothing at all...

Not that I ever meant it to be secret...
So my files are going to be VB# instead of TB# marked... cool (before you ask, my surname is Bigiani, and it kinda rhymes with Bigg)
What about ******, then? Isn't he a total liar with his nick ?
Prepare for another (un)Refined Flame War :w00t:

Edited by Littiz, 08 December 2004 - 07:34 AM.

[Littiz]

How am I supposed to take over the world if you spoil my one of my identities? :glare:
The weakest point of every conspiracy... collaborators!!!

Edited by Littiz, 08 December 2004 - 07:42 AM.

[the bigg]

nobody will ever be able to stop you stopping us

[Littiz]

How comes Windows complains about security protocols everytime it attempts to load your avatar, the_bigg?

[the bigg]

How comes Windows complains about security protocols everytime it attempts to load your avatar, the_bigg? 

I was linking it to SNS's mail site. Since SNS hadn't paid enough Microsoft, Internet Explorer had decided to list the certificate as untrue.
Does it work now?

[Littiz]

You could make it so that you can't cast IA while wearing the Vecna, i believe... Not sure if the fact you can't change your armour while fighting makes this a good idea. You can always claim that there are "strange fluctuactions" in your magic aura, that makes IA fizzle.

If you mean Aura Cleansing instead of IA, it's indeed possible.
Worth debating.
Opinions?
Would players consider it a "balance abuse"?

EDIT: it works now. Have you payed the charge yourself?

Edited by Littiz, 08 December 2004 - 08:03 AM.

[the bigg]

If you mean Aura Cleansing instead of IA, it's indeed possible.

Worth debating.
Opinions?
Would players consider it a "balance abuse"?

this is the first time I've heard of "balance abuse", for sure. Maybe some Cernd/Jahiera banter...
Sure, it's a really extreme measure, but better than casting a whole spellbook in 1 time pick...

EDIT: it works now. Have you payed the charge yourself?

Nah, I entered your computer and edited your certificates
[in other words, I uploaded the picture myself ]

[T.G.Maestro]

You could make it so that you can't cast IA while wearing the Vecna, i believe... Not sure if the fact you can't change your armour while fighting makes this a good idea. You can always claim that there are "strange fluctuactions" in your magic aura, that makes IA fizzle.

If you mean Aura Cleansing instead of IA, it's indeed possible.
Worth debating.
Opinions?

I support the idea.