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[dorotea]

I am opening a new thread for this topic because I do not want to highjack the Irenicus romance thread.

Answering Domi's question -- I think Bodhi had crossed the line of 'no return' by deliberately exposing herself to vampirism thus knowingly destroying her chances for ever coming back. Irenicus did not become a lich, although I assume he had plenty of opportunities to do so. Which IMHO implies that there was a sparkle of his former personality left somewhere in that shell. And yes -- you are right to point out that there are his diaries in the game and not anybody elses.

I think Bodhi is an extremely interesting and multi-faceted charcater btw -- but I cannot see a single hook or a niche to start a reverse process with her, whereas Irenicus provides plenty.

[Arcalian]

I don't think that wether or not Bohdi can be redeemed is even an issue....I very much doubt Bohdi would *want* to be redeemed, even if she could.

Besides, she's much more fun this way.

[T.G.Maestro]

And her Ascension epilogue is very suitable for her, too. I liked that.

[Laufey]

And her Ascension epilogue is very suitable for her, too. I liked that.

It's been so long since I read that one - what's it like?

[Feanor]

And her Ascension epilogue is very suitable for her, too. I liked that.

It's been so long since I read that one - what's it like?

Bodhi attacks Suldanesselar again and she is slained by Ellesime.

[Laufey]

And her Ascension epilogue is very suitable for her, too. I liked that.

It's been so long since I read that one - what's it like?

Bodhi attacks Suldanesselar again and she is slained by Ellesime.

Right, thanks for the prompt reply!

[Kish]

Irenicus did not become a lich, although I assume he had plenty of opportunities to do so.

There's the little detail that he could see from Bodhi's example that becoming undead failed to remove the Seldarine's curse. "It doesn't work" is a much simpler reason for not considering becoming a lich.

[Archmage Silver]

she is slained

Does the epilogue really say slained? The right form: is slain by Ellesime.

[Thorium Dragon]

I don't think Irenicus would have ever considered becoming a lich to get around his curse.

I believe, for him, the only objective would be to correct his failure and attack the Tree of Life one again.

Even if becoming a lich would have worked, I don't see Irenicus taking that option. To him it would seem like a failure in some way. His way of dealing with his loss was to redouble his efforts to suceed where he once came up short.

[Kish]

wasn't its bodhi's fault Jon went after the tree of life to begain with? Isn't it explained that she goaded her brother down that path?

Passive voice alert.

Demin: The "sister" was the insatiable one...
Irenicus (in Ascension, not the unmodded game): ...your whispered urgings that led me down the path of my exile.
Bodhi (Ascension): How like you to blame me for your failings.

Make of those what you will.

[dorotea]

TD, I love your avatar -- I think I have this thing for dragons... A dragon romance anybody? No?

To answer Kish -- yes, Bodhi's role in the whole story is intriguing. I did not dare to suggest my version in the LR, but I feel she was more than a henchwoman.

I really really wanted to see that Bodhi-npc mod by Quitch... but I guess it was dropped.

[Kulyok]

TD, I love your avatar -- I think I have this thing for dragons... A dragon romance anybody? No?

I assume that was a stone in my garden ;-)
Well, could be, it's just romances I've seen before were completly unsuitable for me, and one biowareNPCromancemod I thought I'd like was completly out of character. :-( When I read Jon I was enchanted, still am.

As for Bodhi, technically there could be Bodhi mod: according to some lore, vampires don't die, just pour a drop of blood over their remains, and here they go.
But it'd really take a master to write her in the spirit of the story.
I really wonder whether she manipulated her brother or not: on the one hand, he doesn't strike me as a person who is easy to manipulate, and on the other,
it's easy to picture all the anger and frustration she had being the second, and going to any limits to get what she wanted, including blackmail (but how ??? that's the question).
Though as a vampire, she's not particulary bright. And that would be the problem, if somebody wanted to redeem her :-) To Jon, at least logic could be used.

[Thorium Dragon]

I had a crudely sketched out romance with Bodhi a while ago (for super-evil NPCs), even before I started thinking about the Valen Expansion.

Maybe I'll ressurect that work after the Valen Expansion is in the bag. But I think, I'll probably want to write something less fantastic. Maybe a mod about a human fighter, to go in the other direction.

As for a dragon romance- I'd play it out of curiosity.

One could refer to The Legend of Huma, a Dragonlance novel for inspiration.

[Arcalian]

While my hormones speak loudly in favor of a Bhodi-as-lover mod, my brain says "Are you crazy? After the first sexual romp she'd sink her fangs into your neck, game over."

But Bhodi-as-party-member, trying to hit on Sarevok even more blatantly than Vickie does, oh yes. Yes, that I can see for an evil party quite clearly.

Please somebody make that mod (and make it compatible with Longer Road, the Jon-Bhodi banters would be priceless I'm sure, which reminds me Dorotea, email me privately about that subject, I have something I want to ask you that has nothing to do with LR as a mod per se.)

[Laufey]

Interesting. Nod, nod. I am not a big fan of Ann Rice, but vampiric romance has its possibilities... if the author can restrict themselves from going too deep into the dark sensuality that such a plot would imply... I say moderation is the clue. Honestly, I cannot see Bodhi's redemption plot written seriously in ANY circumstances, but a liason with her... Hmm if you are feeling particularly suicidal... I think I can even participate in such a project.

I tend to agree - Bodhi seems so very happy to be a vampire that I find it hard to imagine her wanting her to be redeemed in any way. But Bodhi as the ally of an evil party? Very interesting idea, and if it was well written I would almost certainly enjoy it.

[Andrew]

Remember in the un-modded game that Irenicus quoted in his journal that the 'elf' in Bodhi was trying to resist what she had become.