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[jester]

Tiax simply shows up together with our favourite pirate. The one who died was a dummy Tiax impersonated by his cousin Tampax. Surely he could have handed the mean guy his behind inglehandedly, if he would have been in the fight. The loss of his cousin is a relatively small price for world rulership so he switched places to rule from the shadows, but now you emerged and surely need his help.

[Stone Wolf]

The one who died was a dummy Tiax impersonated by his cousin Tampax.

Oh sweet Jesus--Tampax?!

[Andyr]

How would people suggest keeping Tiax alive in the Irenicus fight when everyone else dies?

Imprisonment? That might not work--it depends on how their deaths are scripted in.

I meant a convincing plot reason why he remains alive rather than a mechanical one.

Jes: Uh...

[Xander77]

Kick the whole "everyone dies" idea. It was stupid in the fist place.

Make Johny a lot tougher, as per a suggestion I made a few months back (your mirror images being real simularcum, golems, decent assassins, etc...) and have the prisoners wait for you when you emerge from the maze, cornering Loc...

A pretty decent change.

You could run into some of the prisoners latter in the game...

[Stone Wolf]

Yeah, if Irenicus could just auto-kill people like that, he would do the same to the PC. You could have the others live as well, which could make for interesting quests.

[jester]

Ok, if nobody wants to go with the real story (which I mentioned above ), keeping them up or downstairs (can't remember) would be a lot nicer than this unbelievable phyrrus victory for our fellow inmates.

[Stone Wolf]

As opposed to Irenucus getting whomped by the PC, but taking time out before his escape to somehow auto-kill several fairly strong mages? Is that more believable?

[Xander77]

Actually, it's not very clear, but I think the Joker means that the way it originally is in the game is unbelievable...

[Aion]

Well, the auto-death of all the inmates *is* quite strange...

I was thinking...Tiax would be motivated to fight Irenicus, of course...but would he choose the path of a "king" and let the party and the other inmates fight the battle for him? If so, the Yoshimo encounter could proceed normally, and afterwards you would encounter Tiax in a hallway?

Or perhaps he *would* fight together with the party and the other inmates. Irenicus would be scripted to only target the party, and not the inmates. He would escape, leaving the inmates (and Tiax) as they were. Why waste any more spells on those fools? At that point, Tiax could join...and as mentioned above, several new quests *could* be started, *if* the inmates teleport away to a safer haven, such as Athkatla or Trademeet.

[Archmage Silver]

Might work. Say, the inmates could pop-up later in the game when you least expect them to pop-up, for example in the Firkraag's Lair.

[Andyr]

I was thinking...Tiax would be motivated to fight Irenicus, of course...but would he choose the path of a "king" and let the party and the other inmates fight the battle for him? If so, the Yoshimo encounter could proceed normally, and afterwards you would encounter Tiax in a hallway?

It's been a while since I plated. When exactly does the Yoshimo betrayal occur? Just after you have defeated Irenicus?

[Xander77]

Andyr - yup. He's with the batch of assassins that show up right after Johny ports away - only if you brought him with you to SpellHold, natch. He shows up with the equipment you left him... if you follow my suggestion for improved Irenicus battle, the assassins should be there from the start, and Yoshi would only come out of the shadows when Johny flees, with brand new but simple equipment if you left him naked...

Archmage - nope. I, at least, never got to SpellHold before Firkraag. Athakla after you got out of the underdark, possibly helping you tackle Bodhi... one mage might be in Suldanessalar...

[Andyr]

Andyr - yup. He's with the batch of assassins that show up right after Johny ports away - only if you brought him with you to SpellHold, natch. He shows up with the equipment you left him... if you follow my suggestion for improved Irenicus battle, the assassins should be there from the start, and Yoshi would only come out of the shadows when Johny flees, with brand new but simple equipment if you left him naked...

People that de-equip Yoshimo just before his betrayal suck.

[Xander77]

Ah-yup. I'm thinking that if he doesn't have at least a +1 armor/weapon at the point of his betrayal, he gets a katana of back-stabbing - unique to him. And goes after charname.

[Stone Wolf]

Heh, that sounds fair.

[Deva]

I never killed Yoshimo. Feebleminded him. Or leaft him in Athkatla so he never fulfilled his gaes...

It hurts, and then you die... B)

[Stone Wolf]

Hmm, maybe he does have an auto-kill spell, but he's stupid enough to hit the inmates with it instead of the PC.

[Andyr]

Auto-kill sucks.