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[Deathsangel]

Jaheira and Khalid will fight Montaron and Xzar to the death at a random point when they're all in the party (or, rather, when Khalid is in the party with either Montaron and Xzar, or when Jaheira is in the party with Xzar).  They don't wait for the mines to be cleared.  The Iron Throne has been putting about that the Zhentarim are responsible for the things they've been doing, and Montaron and Xzar have been sent to clear their organization's good name.  You can go through the whole Harper/Galvery plot without romancing Jaheira.

How can you go through that plot? Thanks to Jaheira you are called back to Harper hold were Galvery awaits you. How do you do that without Jaheira?

[edit] And now that I read your post extremely precise Jahiera and Montaron don't fight if you have those two in one party so that can still work

Edited by Deathsangel, 14 September 2004 - 03:53 AM.

[Kish]

You can't go through the Harper plot without Jaheira in your party, but you can go through it without romancing her.

[Deathsangel]

ic that I knew, just misunderstood

[Deva]

BTW: I think Xar's battlecry in BGI is actually a quotation. Do you have any idea where it is from ? 


From one of the people who worked on the atomic bomb program(manhatten Project) when the first test was conducted. The name escapes me at the moment.

This may have been Oppenheimer.
However, if I remember correctly, he also quoted it. The line actually comes from Ramaiana, an ancient poem, which ,among other things, describes something that sounds surprisingly like a nuclear attack.

Hmm... depends which battlecry you mean. One was a quote from a poem; the other was a quote from... *sigh* Hannibal lector.. I think. Eth ththt eth hh...

[Rabain]

"I am become death, destroyer of worlds!" is a quote from The
Bhagavad-Gita, made famous by Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer.

Other Xzar quotes:

Those the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad!
Euripides (c.480 - 406 BC) Greek Playwright

I ate his liver with a nice Chianti and some fava beans.
The Hannibal Lecter one!


It appears Xzar is well traveled and quite cultured too!

[Deathsangel]

Hhmm... lot of people on Montaron and Xzar and a lot on Shar-Teel.

Can the two who voted on the lower two options specify which combination they had in mind?

[qadsjlkahsdf]

I voted for the last option, because I personally would like to see Xzar and Tiax.

[Surtr]

I voted for Xzar & Montaron.
They are the best and most evil ones in BG1, expect Tiax.
And Xzar is the maddest madman ever in the multiverse!!

[Deathsangel]

I voted for Xzar & Montaron.  
They are the best and most evil ones in BG1, expect Tiax. 
And Xzar is the maddest madman ever in the multiverse!!

Kido and Xzar are both in the race for first place. Or haven't you played yet with Kido? Did anyone here who voted for Xzar? Cause I kind of brought the madman already back.... (madwoman being Silverstar)









*spoiler* If ya really want to know by the way of the planned interjection between Xzar and Kido:










Kido: But… Cousin! How do you fair? Did the Zhentarium send you this way? How nice, I haven’t seen you in quite a while. Is there something you need?

(if present) Jaheira: It appears that having no senses at all is the trademark of this family

(if present) Edwin: Is this rubbish-talking bard related to that incoherent rattling necromancer? I should have known this when I first lay my eyes on either one of you.

Edited by Deathsangel, 21 September 2004 - 10:12 AM.

[Surtr]

I didn't used Kedo at that moment. But I've read about him

Though, I like Kedo because of his psycho-thing (like the little brother of Xzar :^^: ), I simply don't like the idea of having an cyric worshipper in my Neo-Bhaal party. It has an RP reason, as you see.


The Xzar & Montaron couple is funnier, for so many reasons. And I always wanted to have him in my party, but that harper skum killed him.

But I'm always open for an Xzar & Tiax couple. This could be perhaps the maddest couple of all.

[Stone Wolf]

Nordom!

Well, he was in PS:T not BG1, and he isn't evil, but I still vote for him.

[Deathsangel]

Nordom!

Well, he was in PS:T not BG1, and he isn't evil, but I still vote for him.

Yes he is cool.

"I think therefore I am.... I think"

But sorry he ain't gonna be there

Surtr Posted on Sep 21 2004, 09:49 PM
  I didn't used Kedo at that moment. But I've read about him 

Though, I like Kedo because of his psycho-thing (like the little brother of Xzar  ), I simply don't like the idea of having an cyric worshipper in my Neo-Bhaal party.  It has an RP reason, as you see. 


The Xzar & Montaron couple is funnier, for so many reasons.  And I always wanted to have him in my party, but that harper skum killed him.

But I'm always open for an Xzar & Tiax couple. This could be perhaps the maddest couple of all.

It is not about how crazy we can let the party get...

Kido has indeed some problems with Neo-Bhaalism, but he there are many sorts of evil. Ya might want to take him along with in another party. He works pretty well in neutral parties as well. Mostly because of the fact you can see his full capacity of annoying/hurting people (mostly the good aligned). Stands in the read-me

Some people claimed Xzar also had a crush for Cyric. Can't seem to remember this though. Does anyone know this by the way?

[Surtr]

Xzar had an crush on Cyric in BG1..? I can't remember that, by any mean..
Well, both are madmans, crazy like hell, insane and like it to kill.. but other than that...no idea!

[Deva]

Xzar.. yesh, Xzar is good. Xzar and Montaron. I have decided. But what would you do about the harper quest?

[Deathsangel]

I will make a code checking if your evil, if so the man who asks you to bring him to the harper stronghold, because he is poisoned won't show up.

Redo the text on the Montaron bird, because through another way you will get in. The harper stronghold quest will be lost though for most part for evil characters.

This is why I wandered again if Xzar and Montaron is a good option, because of the fact that Kido and Xzar are very a like and if your good you also don't get two good characters. Leaving Jaheira in, won't be such a bad thing I reckon. But very little people are voting for such an option.

I have an idea for Jaheira Montaron combo for instance

P.s. sorry about those edits I am always clicking finished to fast and thinking later on... oh! but I ought to add that

Edited by Deathsangel, 23 September 2004 - 12:51 AM.

[Deathsangel]

On a different note and a nice discussion as well, though necromancers are many times evil it is logical to give such a specialisation to an evil wizard. But I don't see Xzar with 16 wisdom. I always thought this to be wrong. I gave Kido as well a low Wis score and a higher Int.

If Xzar is one of the two, I rather want to chance his expertise. However giving him a lower Wis, makes him even more the same like Kido. Or should he suddenly seem very wis and int, but makes himself look wack. Just to fool his enemies?

[Surtr]

Insanity has nothing to do with low intelligence, or low wisdom. And Xzar is mad but smart, so many things have no reason at all.

[Deathsangel]

Insanity has nothing to do with low intelligence, or low wisdom. And Xzar is mad but smart, so many things have no reason at all.

Intelligence is once ability to learn. A high intelligence is the learned librarian. A low intelligence is the town's fool.
Wisdom is once natural senses. One with a high Wisdom is the wise man/woman. Thus low wisdom is one who is quite crazy.
I do believe Wisdom and somewhat having a crazy streak are linked

[edit] Just to be complete. It is not impossible to learn well though being somewhat crazy. Some of the most brilliant persons on earth had a bit of wacky side.

Edited by Deathsangel, 24 September 2004 - 12:15 AM.