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#1 NewClear

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 02:03 AM

Stuck Again - Seems to happen quite a lot with me at the moment.

I have Tortured Souls, Shadows over Soubar and The adrkest day installed with the Big Picture.

I seem to have started the Valygar Romance, or at least I think I have. Minsc started winding him up about fancying me even though he denied it. Then i stupidly let anomen into my party and he started telling valygar that he liked me and vlaygar basically told him to bugger off!

And that's it - nothing more. I've just finished the underdark and thought maybe it was just a lengthly romance but I seem to have killed it and I'm not sure how!

Can anyone help. I quite fancied trying a new Romance, Anomen really annoys me! :wacko:

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 11:21 AM

Valygar's romance is the quest related romance and a bit tricky to manage. To start it up properly you have to have Merella's journal and take Valygar to do the Shadow Lord's quest before the Underdark. Then you have to let a number of talks to run by before going to the Underdark (untill the one which starts with Do you miss Candlekeep); 2 lovetalks have to come up in the Underdark. From there on it's a clear sailing :)

And yes, Valygar will be denying it all! If you want to play a WeiDU updated version of Val's romance it is here at FW in the completed section. but do not install it over TS - it will be messy :)

If you need more support for TS/BP, try their respective boards. Vlad moved back to www.vladp.net and Horred is still at the PlagueZone iirc.

Edited by domi, 24 August 2004 - 11:21 AM.


#3 NewClear

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 11:44 AM

Ok, I gave him the journal and then we did the shadow lord quest @ the temple straight away. Still nothings happened and I can't remember if I had the candle keep query, i think I did.

could inviting anomen into the party have messed stuff up? I can't see a reason why it's fallen over.

Is there a way of getting it back on track or am I just plain screwed (or not as the case may be!)

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 12:12 PM

Well, did you have talks when Merella died, and when you gave him the journal? If not - something is not right, and you will need to ask Horred, because he would be BP coder.

No, Anomen did not mess it up - they were initially coded to run in parallel for most of the game, since Valygar was PC's friend pretty much throughout the whole of SoA.

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 12:14 PM

Wait! You said you have seen Did you miss Candlekeep? And about 10 other banters with the PC as well? If yes, and they occured BEFORE Underdark, than he just waits for his "in the Underdark" sequence to happen.

#6 NewClear

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 12:20 PM

I've done the underdark and left with nothing happening.

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 12:26 PM

If you have seen the pre-underdark sequence (ending at Do you miss Candlekeep), then you would have had 2 talk in the underdark. Not sure how the first one was triggered, but the second one was at rest in the underdark. I think in the later versions Vlad had a walk about mechanism that made the romance continue even if you did not have the Underdark confessions, but that's what breaking your romance right now (again, if and only if you had the full pre-underdark sequence). I have not coded it, so I do not know the GLOBALs to prompt it forward. Try Vlad, he would know.

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 12:28 PM

ok, even more confused. a friend suggested I try doing the "SetlGlobal command on "ValygarRomance" which i did and he's just kissed my hand.

Am i back on track or am I all over the place!!!

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 12:38 PM

It depends what Global you set. The romances are driven by a number of Globals.

Here is (roughly) a scenario for Valygar's romance - it might be a bit different for TS version (WeiDU is an expanded variant) - so just see where you are, using the first lines of the LoveTalks:

Valygar_1, 2 and 3 with a few variations: discussion of the Umar Quest and Merella

1 (did not do the UH quest) Valygar: <CHARNAME>, I was wondering if you would allow me to carry Merella?s journal?

(Merella dies) Valygar: Shh? It?s not important? Go in peace, my friend?

(quest done previously, not Ranger-Protector) Valygar: It is my understanding that you have passed through Umar Hills earlier and helped resolve troubles in the area.

Valygar: I see that you have accepted the position of the ranger protector. While I am glad for such an honorable position offered to you, I cannot help but worry about Merella, the previous ranger-protector of Umar Hills.

if conversation #1 occured: <CHARNAME> I feel bad about snapping at you when you asked me about Merella.

Valygar_4 Valygar offers PC his help with a casual adventuring thinggy

Valygar: <CHARNAME> I can see you are tired. Please allow me to carry your backpack for a while.

Valygar_5 Discussion of PC's heritage

1) Valygar: <CHARNAME> I am not interested in gossip, but there is one rumor, which I cannot lay aside? I have heard people whispering that you are not an ordinary mortal.

Valygar_6 Specialized convo for a spellcaster

Valygar: You have all a mortal can wish for. You are beautiful beyond belief, your aim is true and your mind is sharp. Yet you search for arcane knowledge. Do you not think that is too much of power for one person?

Valygar_7 specialized convo for Ranger PC

Valygar: It is always a pleasure to travel with another wanderer of the woods. I knew many in my lifetime, and everyone had a different tale on how they come to be one of us. How did you become a ranger?

Valygar_8 Valygar is attentive in a camp-in-the forst situation

Valygar: You shiver? Here, I?ll make the fire burn higher. Move closer, <Charname>, and the chill will pass. Let me warm your hands up, they look positively blue?

Valygar_8 Valygar is worried about PC's behaivour in battles as pertaining to her heritage

Valygar: I have been watching you fight. You are a very brave woman and you make wise choices. Yet, considering your heritage, the passion I see in you disturbs me.

Valygar_9 Valygar talks about the city life

Valygar: I wish we?d spend less time in the city. I keep thinking I am going to run into some empty-headed noble who will try to involve me in endless, trivial small talk.

Valygar_10 Valygar discusses the differences between a hero and a mercenary

Valygar: Where is the distinction between a mercenary and a great hero? When people listen to a bard?s tale they forget how they tend to avoid those called ?adventurers? at all costs in normal life.

Valygar _11 Valygar discusses the religion/faith

Valygar: Wherever we go there are temples? So much efforts to build houses for those who do not need homes. I cannot deny the beauty of it, but it pains me to see people placing their hopes in gods instead of taking charge of their own destiny.

Valygar_12 Valygar talks aboput a book he carries which belonged to Corthala

Valygar: I have seen this look before. Why are you surprised that I keep a book in my backpack? Not much to compare to the former glory of the Corthala?s library of course, but I cherish it and I would not be without it.

Valygar_13 Valygar thinks aloud about PC appearing gentler at rest than in the daytime

Valygar: I can never get used to seeing you without your fighting gear. My fearless leader, ready for anything and seemingly knowing no doubts. Yet you suddenly look soft and gentle and so beautiful?

Valygar_14 Lavok and the Sphere

Valygar: I feel so free and yet strangely empty, now that Lavok is dead? What did you think of him <CHARNAME>?

Valygar_15 Talks about the death of his friend and death as a part of the adventure

Valygar: It is a sad day for me. Some years ago on this day my friend had fallen in battle. He was a wonderful man and he was so full of life. I wailed that day in pain, I felt as if my skin was ripped off me and I could not stop asking myself: why it was not I that met the arrow?

Valygar_16 talk about Candlekeep and Umar Hills as 'home place"

Valygar: Do you miss Candlekeep? I guess what I mean to ask is do you think of Candlekeep as of your home? A place you would want to return eventually?

Valygar_17 Valygar reacts at the Slayer change

#1 Valygar: <CHARNAME>? Is aught amiss?

#2 Valygar: <CHARNAME>, you cut me and I bleed. But it was not you, not truly. The darkness creeps into the hollow left when the mad mage ripped your soul out. I will not let him win. I will not lose you. This is the only battle that matters to me now, <CHARNAME> and I intend to fight it.

#3 Valygar: I never was one to pray to gods, but after what has happened to you I wish I could ask for someone more powerful than I to protect you <CHARNAME>.

Valygar_18 (Underdark_drow humor: right after entering Ust Natha)

Valygar: Oh most powerful mistress, might a humble servant address you with a word of praise?

Valygar_19 Valygar reveals his passion for PC in the Underdark.

Valygar: You breathe differently when you sleep?I am not surprised that your sleep is disturbed, with the terrifying events of the past few days on your mind. It is strange, but among all our troubles what worries me the most is being a drow? I am afraid that the change is not just cosmetic.

Valygar_20 Valygar is appologizing for storming away during previous talk

Valygar: I must tell you, <CHARNAME> how sorry I feel about our last conversation. Please, do not avoid me. I should not have told you so much, but it was the only way I could stop myself from throwing myself at your feet and begging for your favor.

Valygar_21 Valygar gifts the PC his mother's necklace

Valygar: You know, I keep this trinket... This necklace should be worn by a young and beautiful lady, not be stuffed in a dirty backpack. Would you take it?

Valygar_22 Valygar inquires about PC's taste in men

Valygar: Hmm, say <CHARNAME> if you were to?love a man, what kind of a man that would be?

Valygar_23 Bodhi abduction sequence:

#1 (Bodhi shows up)
Valygar: Stay away from her, vampire! You and your murderous bastard of a brother had taken too many lives as is. I will not allow you to harm her!

#2 Bodhi orders him to attack PC
Valygar: Nay, Bodhi. I served no god and I served no man willingly. I shall not serve you, bloodthirsty beast.
#3
Valygar: I found a target more to my liking. Friends, glory will be ours today!

#4 (Valygar survived the battle)
Valygar: Do not put your weapons away yet. While I am still capable to fight off the urges of a vampire, while I am still a bit of a human? While I can still stand here and look at you without trying to kill you - kill me.
#5 (Ressurected)
Valygar: What is it? A beautiful dream among many nightmares? I feel alive
and I see you standing so near. I can almost extend my hand and touch you?
#6 discussion of his experience w Bodhi
Valygar: I have not thanked you yet for delivering me from Bodhi?s thralldom. I wanted to do it many times, but I couldn?t find proper words. Trust me, <CHARNAME>, none have ever done me such a kindness. I lost everything, and you gave it back to me. I thank you for that.
#7 Morning after for #6
Valygar: Morning?Sorry, I did not have heart to wake you up earlier. You fell asleep so quickly and you looked so peaceful that I reckoned it was better not to disturb you. You had all too many nightmares lately.

Valygar_24 Valygar talks about women in his life

Valygar: <CHARNAME>, your face shows your emotions so well. You are curious about something and hesitate to ask? Am I right?

Valygar_25 1-st intimacy

Valygar: Do you watch the stars often? You look dreamy. Which one attracted your attention? The magnificent Correlian? The best place to see Correlian is from Evereska they say. Or was it Auranamn, the swordsman of the sky?

Valygar 26 Morning After

Here comes the dawn to steal my happiness...

Conflicts appart from Anomen's:

#10 --Ren--

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 02:12 PM

It depends what Global you set. The romances are driven by a number of Globals.

Here is (roughly) a scenario for Valygar's romance - it might be a bit different for TS version (WeiDU is an expanded variant) - so just see where you are, using the first lines of the LoveTalks:
Valygar_18 (Underdark_drow humor: right after entering Ust Natha)

Valygar: Oh most powerful mistress, might a humble servant address you with a word of praise?

Valygar_19 Valygar reveals his passion for PC in the Underdark.

Valygar: You breathe differently when you sleep?I am not surprised that your sleep is disturbed, with the terrifying events of the past few days on your mind. It is strange, but among all our troubles what worries me the most is being a drow? I am afraid that the change is not just cosmetic.

Valygar_20 Valygar is appologizing for storming away during previous talk

Valygar: I must tell you, <CHARNAME> how sorry I feel about our last conversation. Please, do not avoid me. I should not have told you so much, but it was the only way I could stop myself from throwing myself at your feet and begging for your favor.

Valygar_21 Valygar gifts the PC his mother's necklace

Valygar: You know, I keep this trinket... This necklace should be worn by a young and beautiful lady, not be stuffed in a dirty backpack. Would you take it?

Valygar_22 Valygar inquires about PC's taste in men

Valygar: Hmm, say <CHARNAME> if you were to?love a man, what kind of a man that would be?


I've found this post and i'm not sure if anyone can help. I'm a bit stuck on the romance. I know i've had number 18, i'm not sure about 19. I think i might have had 20, but i've certainly not got as far as 21.

is there a way to kick start talk 21? I've got to Bodhi and i think i've stalled my romance. i can talk to Valygar and get a little piece where i whisper his name accidentally and get a load of relevant responses, but I'm not sure.

i've also had some little chats where he refers to me being a magic user. Does being a sorcerer mess this romance up? he does seem to be rather nervous of us mage types......

#11 alukah

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 01:31 PM

(I've had a problem, but it is no more. Sorry to bother you. ;))

Edited by alukah, 28 February 2010 - 03:23 PM.


#12 -Ny-quil-

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 05:34 AM

Hello,


It appears as if I'm stuck at 19. I've cleared Underdark and I'm waiting for the next LT to start, but he's saying Nothing at all. The romance is active, at least I think it is, because the flirts still appear, but the SetGlobal command does nothing. Neither does resting, nor wandering around. I even played Underdark again when I got back up earlier and went to Bodhi - who abducted no one at all.

Umm. More wandering? Any ideas?

#13 Ipsissimus

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 10:36 AM

Try leaving the game running and paused for several hours, or, failing that, CLUAConsole:AdvanceRealTime(999999). Some of the lovetalk timers are crazy. Also, the next one might be conditional, and you haven't met the conditions for it--for instance, resting in a forest area.
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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:00 AM

Thanks a bunch for the answer, but I graduated to the bodhi-resurrection glitch by now. I hate/love/hate this mod. :whistling: It Appears to work if I uninstall TS 7.04 and change to TSBP 6.10, and set globals again, but I'm figuring that messes up other things too - I'm resigned to having to start the game over again, but that's okay. I'm only trying to graduate, I have the time.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 12:16 PM

The TS version from BWL is incompatible with basically any non-Black Wyrm Lair mod--this is a known problem. Hope you don't run into any *other* bugs.
And the mirror, it reflects a tiny dancing skeleton, surrounded by a fleshy overcoat and swaddled in
A furry hat, elastic mask, a pair of shiny marble dice, some people call them snake-eyes, but to me they look like mice
-- "Nothing's gonna change my clothes", They Might Be Giants

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 12:35 PM

That's why I made sure not to install anything other than baldurdash, recommended by Vlad on BWL. But I'm no genius when it comes to these things. :rolleyes:

Thanks again.

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Posted 02 October 2011 - 01:11 PM

Hi guys, I know this topic is a bit old, but I was hoping someone could help me - I'm determined to try to finish this romance, but unfortunately I didn't realise how buggy it was if you have it with any other mods installed....

I've got to the bodhi abduction part, and he asked me to kill him... but when I go to the umar hills and go through the resurrection ritual, a different valygar appears (probably the original one in his cabin) and starts saying his very first 'meeting' dialogue ("Ho there!")

Is there anyway of spawning my old Valygar or is he lost forever if I do this sequence? I do have saved games from before the bodhi abduction, but I would like to continue the romance if possible - I've tried create creature, but couldn't find my old Valgyar :(

If anyone has any ideas, I would be so grateful! :)

Thanks for reading.